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OF ORDER, PLEASE STAND FOR THE ALLEGIANCE, PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE PLEDGE JUSTICE TRIAL.WE'RE HAVING SOME TECHNOLOGY ISSUES, SO GOING TO BE RECORDING HERE AND THEN UPLOADING LATER.
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TODAY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE REFERENDUM AND AS WE LOOK AT OUR SET REFERENDUM PLANNING INFORMATION, UM, WE HAVE A LOT OF CONTENT AND INFORMATION WE'RE GONNA BE DISCUSSING FOR THE REFERENDUM FOR 2025, UM, AS IT COMES UP FOR ELECTION, UH, THIS NEXT YEAR.SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING, KATIE DOWN.
PRESIDENT LANE, BOARD OF SCHOOL TRUSTEES, DR.
SO WITH ME TODAY IS OUR DIRECTOR OF BUSINESS, STEPHANIE MADISON.
UM, SHE DID SAY THIS FEELS JUST A BIT LIKE A FIRE IN SCHOOL SITTING THIS WAY, BUT IT'S YOUR FIRST TIME HERE TO WORK SESSION.
SO I TOLD HER YOU GUYS WILL ALWAYS AT LEAST HAVE THIS SIT HERE.
UM, SO WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH SOME INFORMATION TODAY.
AS YOU KNOW, IT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION.
UM, WE'RE NOT GONNA GO THROUGH 55,000 CELLS FROM THE DETAIL OF EXPENDITURES, UH, BUT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE MAJOR CONCEPTS OF SOME THINGS.
UM, SOME OF IT'S REPEAT FROM THE PRIOR WORK SESSION.
SOME OF IT IS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION BASED ON FEEDBACK FROM THAT MEETING.
SO YOU'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE, BUT FOR THE PUBLIC AT LARGE, THE 2016 OPERATING REFERENDUM, THE UTILIZATION POINTS THAT WERE GLEANED FROM THE MATERIALS, I ACTUALLY HAD THE PRIOR PACK CHAIR THAT DROPPED OFF A GIANT BAG FULL OF ALL THE MATERIALS TO GO THROUGH.
IT'S GOT THREE BINDERS WORTH, BUT THESE WERE THE BIG PIECES.
REDUCED CLASSROOM SIZE, RETAINING AND RECRUITING QUALITY TEACHERS.
UM, CONTINUING TO PROVIDE EXPANDING PROGRAMMING, AND THEN THE ADDITION OF ASSISTANT PRINCIPALS IN ELEMENTARY BUILDINGS.
AND SO THE OUTCOMES, UM, AS LISTED, YOU KNOW, THE TARGETS THAT WE USE FOR CLASS SIZE IN K SIX, STARTING AT 21 IN KINDERGARTEN.
UM, WE ALSO USE A BUILDING AVERAGE OF 22.5 IN K FOUR.
UH, THERE'S RANGES FROM SEVEN TO 12.
WE USE RANGES BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY A PE CLASS CAN HAVE A HIGHER CLASS SIZE THAT SAY ADVANCED METHODS AND CALCULUS.
SO, UM, THERE'S RANGES BASED ON THE TYPE OF CLASS THAT IT IS.
UM, SALARY, UH, BENEFITS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE MUCH MORE COMPETITIVE THAN WE WERE PRE REFERENDUM.
WE'RE NO LONGER IN THE BOTTOM THIRD, WHICH IS WHERE WE WERE BEFORE.
UH, WE HAVE NOT, NOT HAD, EVEN THOUGH WE LOST, UH, SOME STUDENTS, IF YOU RECALL, IN THE FALL OF 20, UM, POST FIRST COVID, UH, I THINK WE'VE LOST 800 STUDENTS.
AND IF YOU RECALL, THERE WERE, UH, THERE WAS A, UH, BUDGET REDUCTION PLAN OF $5 MILLION TO PICK UP FOR THAT LOSS.
SO WE REDUCED BASED ON THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS THAT WE LOST, BUT WE DIDN'T LOSE ANY PROGRAMMING PER SE.
UH, AND THAT WE'VE INCREASED, UM, SPECIALIZED PROGRAMMING.
AND THEN WE DO IN FACT HAVE FULL-TIME ASSISTANT PRINCIPALS IN ALL OF OUR, UH, ELEMENTARY BUILDINGS.
SO THIS GETS TO BE A BIG PIECE, YOU KNOW, WHY IS HSE D AN OPERATING REFERENDUM? UH, WELL, WE'RE STILL THE THIRD LOWEST FUNDED DISTRICT OF THE STATE ONLY BEHIND ZIONSVILLE AND CARMEL.
UM, AVERAGE FUNDING, WHICH I'VE REFERENCED BEFORE, UH, I SPELLED THESE OUT A LITTLE MORE KNOWING THEY'RE GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA BE PUBLISHED UP.
AND SOMETIMES PEOPLE DON'T LISTEN TO THE REPORTING, BUT THEY READ THE SLIDES.
SO, UM, IF WE WERE JUST FUNDED AT AVERAGE, IT WOULD GIVE US AN ADDITIONAL 13.4 MILLION ANNUAL REVENUE.
AND THE OTHER DISTRICTS THAT ARE IN THE TOP FOUR WITH US ARE ALL FUNDED ABOVE IT.
AND IT DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE FOR US.
UH, WE'RE, WE'VE ALSO SEEN INCREASED PROPERTY TAX CAP LOSSES, UM, EVERY YEAR.
SO THAT'S DIRECT RELIEF TO TAXPAYERS.
BUT IT HAS IMPACTED OUR OPERATIONS FUND.
UM, THIS YEAR'S ESTIMATE IS ROUGHLY 4 MILLION.
UM, IT'S ONLY A 37 MILLION FUND, SO THAT'S SIGNIFICANT FOR US.
UM, THE REASON THAT OPERATIONS BEARS THE FULL LOAD OF THAT HIT IS THAT SERVICE HAS TO BE FUNDED AT A HUNDRED PERCENT.
AND SO THEN YOUR OPERATIONS FUND IS YOUR ONLY REALLY TAXABLE FUND THAT COULD ABSORB FROM THERE.
UM, NEXT, AND I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE, THE STATE TUITION SUPPORT INCREASES.
WE HAVE GOTTEN SINCE 2010 PRIOR TO THIS YEAR, SLIGHTLY OUTPACED INFLATION.
UM, AS WE ALL KNOW, INFLATION IS PRETTY HIGH CURRENTLY.
AND SO THAT, THAT IS DIFFERENT NOW.
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SLIGHTLY ABOVE INFLATION.UM, WE REALLY DO, UH, IN A POST COVID WORLD, AND I THINK EVERYONE IS EXPERIENCING THIS IN THEIR OWN WAY IN EVERY DISCIPLINE.
ALRE SAYING SHE'S BEEN TRYING TO FILL IN OUR END OR A NURSING POSITION FOR OVER A YEAR.
UM, COMPETITIVE SALARIES AND BENEFITS HAS BECOME SO MUCH, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN RELEVANT, BUT IT IS SO MUCH MORE THAN THAT.
WHEN YOU CAN GO WORK AT MIKE'S, UM, AT THE CREW CAR WASH FOR $16 AN HOUR STARTING OUT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE POSITIONS HERE THAT DON'T START AT $16 AN HOUR.
AND SO WE DID SOME INVESTMENTS IN THOSE, UM, LAST YEAR.
BUT IT'S JUST BECOME MORE IMPORTANT.
CERTAINLY, AND AS THE AVAILABLE, UM, TEACHERS IN THE POOL GOES DOWN, THE ABILITY TO BE COMPETITIVE REALLY MAKES THE DIFFERENCE.
UM, AND I DO THINK IT'S A BALANCE BETWEEN SALARY, UM, AND BENEFITS VERY MUCH.
UM, AND THIS IS ALSO FOR US, THIS IS THE, THE FIFTH YEAR THAT WE'VE REDUCED THE OVERALL DISTRICT TAX RATE TO TAXPAYERS OF THE HSE SCHOOL CORPORATION.
ANOTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO SHARE, SO WHAT I'VE DONE HERE IS I'VE BROKEN DOWN, UM, THE BIGGER SCHOOLS IN HAMILTON COUNTY.
YOU KNOW, YOU SEE UP THERE CARMEL, CLAY, UH, WESTFIELD NOBLESVILLE, AND I POP ZIONSVILLE IN THERE CAUSE THEY'RE ACTUALLY THE LOWEST FUNDED DISTRICT IN THIS STATE, BUT THEY'RE VERY SIMILAR TO US DEMOGRAPHICALLY AS OUR NOBLESVILLE, WESTFIELD AND ZIONSVILLE CARMEL.
UM, JUST FOR YOUR, UH, REFERENCE, THE TWO NEXT TO CARMEL IS BECAUSE CARMEL ACTUALLY HAS TWO REFERENDUMS. THEY HAVE A SCHOOL SAFETY AND AN OPERATING REFERENDUM.
AND SO I DID COMBINE THOSE RATES.
THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE HERE, IF YOU LOOK AT IT, YES, WE'RE BIG.
SO WHEN YOU HAVE A TAX RATE, UM, ACROSS A LARGE, UH, ASSESSED VALUE, IT'S GONNA GENERATE MORE FUNDS.
BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FOR PUPIL RATE, WE ARE SECOND TO THE LOWEST WHEN YOU COMPARE OUR PEERS HERE AND WHAT THAT GENERATES.
AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT SPEAKS TO OUR SIZE.
YOU KNOW, NOBLESVILLE, UH, IS SITTING AT THE HIGHEST AT, YOU KNOW, ALMOST 1,850.
CARMEL IS JUST SLIGHTLY BELOW THEM.
ZIONSVILLE IS KIND OF RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE.
AND THEN THERE'S WESTFIELD OR US, AND THEN WESTFIELD.
AND I BELIEVE THAT'S SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE THESE ARE FIVE DISTRICTS THAT ARE VERY SIMILAR IN DEMOGRAPHICS, SIMILAR IN FUNDING, ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
SO WE ALL HAVE REFERENDUMS, AND I THINK THAT DOES SPEAK TO THE MEAT, BUT WE ARE NOWHERE NEAR AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL.
UM, AND SIMILARLY, OUR RATE IS ALSO THE SECOND LOWEST, UM, WHEN YOU COMPARE THOSE DISTRICTS.
SO I THINK IT'S A GOOD REFERENCE POINT.
UM, BUT IT SPEAKS TO THIS IS NOT AN ISSUE THAT'S UNIQUE TO HAMILTON SOUTHEASTERN SCHOOLS.
I KNOW YESTERDAY, AND I KNOW, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF DEMOGRAPHIC DIFFERENCES BETWEEN, UM, HAMILTON COUNTY AND ST.
BUT EVERY MS. METROPOLITAN SCHOOL DISTRICT IN MARION COUNTY ALSO HAS A REFERENDUM WITH THE EXCEPTION OF FRANKLIN TOWNSHIP.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THERAPY PER PUPIL FUNDING, I PROMISE YOU THEY'RE ABOVE THE AVERAGE.
AND SO IT IS, IT'S UNFORTUNATELY A WAY OF LIFE, BUT I JUST USE THIS TO, TO DEMONSTRATE WE ARE NOT BEYOND THE SCOPE.
WE ARE NOT AN OUTLIER, AND WE'RE CERTAINLY NOT, BUT THE HIGHEST OF I AND LARGE.
AS WE COMPARE THIS JOB TO FORT WAYNE, SOUTH BEND, ARE THEY APPLYING FOR ROUGH RAYMOND AS WELL? FORT WAYNE AND SOUTH BEND? I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK UP.
CERTAIN FIND, UH, WRONG DIRECTION.
UH, THERE'VE BEEN A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW DO YOU SPEND THE REFERENDUM FUNDS.
AND SO I SAY THIS BECAUSE, BECAUSE WE DO IT DIFFERENTLY, IT MAKES IT A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT TO ARTICULATE.
SO I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE, UH, WE DO NOT TRANSFER ANY MONEY OUT OF THE EDUCATION FUND.
THAT WAS A VERY CONSCIOUS DECISION MADE BY PRIOR ADMINISTRATION THAT WE WANTED TO KEEP THE STATE FUNDS IN THE EDUCATION FUND.
AND WE WANTED TO DEMONSTRATE WE ARE USING THIS AND PUTTING A HUNDRED PERCENT TOWARDS WHAT THE STATE SAYS WE CAN USE FOR IT, FOR TO SUPPORT STUDENTS, CLASSROOM SCHOOL BUILDINGS.
UM, WE'RE ONLY ONE OF SEVEN DISTRICTS THAT DO THAT IN THE STATE.
SO YOU CAN SEE WE'RE WAY IN THE MINORITY IN THAT WAY.
UM, THIS WILL HAVE TO CHANGE GOING FORWARD IF WE HAVE A CONTINUATION BECAUSE THE LAWS CHANGE NOW THAT YOU HAVE TO, UM, HOW YOU, SO FOR EXAMPLE, WE, YOU'VE SAID, WE USED THE REFERENDUM FOR THE THINGS I HIGHLIGHTED ON THAT SECOND SLIDE, BUT THE WAY WE'RE ABLE TO FUND THOSE IS BECAUSE WE DON'T MAKE THE DISTRICT TRANSFER.
AND SO THAT'S RELEVANT BECAUSE THERE ARE THINGS WE PAY FOR OUT OF REFERENDUM THAT ALLOW
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US TO NOT MAKE THAT TRANSFER.SO WHEN I HAVE A REQUEST, LIKE, SHOW ME WHY, YOU KNOW, SHOW ME EVERYTHING THAT COMES OUT OF REFERENDUM, OR WHY CAN'T WE JUST ELIMINATE THE THINGS WE'RE PAYING FOR OUT OF REFERENDUM? IT'S JUST NOT THAT CLEAN OF A CUT.
UM, SO AGAIN, WE TRANSFER ONE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS FROM EDUCATION OPERATIONS.
UH, AND AS I SAID, THAT REFERENDUM, ELIMINATING REFERENDUM DOESN'T AUTOMATICALLY ELIMINATE THE COSTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY POSTED THERE.
UM, SO IF WE'RE PAYING FOR ANY TYPE OF, I'M GONNA USE ENERGY AS AN EXAMPLE, WE CAN'T ELIMINATE ELECTRIC AND GAS, SO WE'RE PAYING FOR IT OUT OF THERE BECAUSE THAT ALLOWS US TO THEN KEEP THE 15% IN THE, I KEEP WANTING TO SAY GENERAL FUND EDUCATION FUND USED TO BE THE GENERAL FUND.
ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? I KNOW IT'S EARLY, TOO EARLY TO LISTEN TO ME DRONE ON ABOUT MONEY.
UM, REVIEWING AGAIN, UM, SOME THINGS THAT WE DO, UH, HAVE IN PLACE, THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED SOME SOMETIMES SINCE THE REFERENDUM.
UM, THE DISTRICT PAYS NO COST FOR SCHOOL NURSES.
THAT'S NORMALLY A COST THAT WOULD BE BORN BY THE EDUCATION FUND.
UM, WE DO OUTSOURCE MAJORITY OF OUR CUSTODIAL STAFFING.
THE CONTRACT WAS JUST RENEWED, UM, THIS PAST SCHOOL YEAR.
IT STARTED NEW JULY ONE, ACTUALLY OF 2022.
AND SO THAT AT LAST ESTIMATE WAS ABOUT $1 MILLION.
WE'VE SPOKEN ABOUT STANDARDIZED PURCHASING, AND WE ARE ALWAYS STRIVING TO LEVERAGE OUR BIG SPEND.
UM, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS CONSTANTLY OF EVALUATING NON-STRATEGIC SPENDING.
I ALWAYS CALL NON-STRATEGIC SPENDING WOULD BE, UM, THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO SPEND, BUT WE DON'T WANNA SPEND ANY MORE THAN WE HAVE TO.
AND SO THAT'S LOOKING AT DO WE HAVE HIGH EFFICIENCY BOILERS AND CHILLERS? IT'S ALL THE EQUIPMENT.
HOW DO WE MINIMIZE THESE THINGS? IT'S ALSO, UM, THE TEMPERATURE SET POINTS THAT I'M SURE SOME PEOPLE LOVE AND OTHER PEOPLES DON'T IN ORDER TO SAVE, UM, ENERGY.
UM, AND, AND OUR PARTNERSHIPS THAT REDUCE COSTS.
WE, UH, BUY AND LARGE, WE, UM, IN THE MAINTENANCE AREA, UM, WE DON'T MAINTAIN OUR OWN STAFF OF GROUND SCREW.
UH, WE PARTNER WITH THE CITY OF FISHERS AND PAY THEM FOR THE COST OF THAT.
IT'S MUCH LESS EXPENSIVE TO DO THAT RATHER THAN TO HAVE YOUR OWN STAFF.
SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT EVALUATING NON-STRATEGIC SPENDING, ESPECIALLY WITH GAS AND ELECTRIC, I DID SEE ONE OF THE, UM, EARLIER SHEETS THAT WE WERE ANTICIPATING A RATE INCREASE OF ABOUT $800,000 FOR THE DISTRICT MM-HMM.
SO HOW DO YOU ACCOUNT FOR THAT WHEN YOU CONSIDER WHERE THAT FUNDING MIGHT HAVE PLAY IN SITUATIONS LIKE THIS? WELL, WE KNEW GOING INTO THIS YEAR THAT IT WAS ACTUALLY A SLIDE LATER THAT I ACTUALLY SPECIFICALLY REFERENCED THAT IF YOU'RE OKAY TO WAIT WHEN WE GET THERE, PLEASE.
UM, AND THEN THE MAINTENANCE CONTRACTS THAT WE KEEP WITH EXISTING BUSINESSES, THERE'S A PROCESS THAT FACILITIES GOES THROUGH, UM, TO QUALIFY BUSINESSES.
SO I'M GONNA USE NEWGEN ELECTRIC AS AN EXAMPLE.
WE DON'T HIRE, UM, OR EMPLOYER OWN ELECTRICIANS.
WE WORK WITH COMPANIES THAT HAVE THAT STAFF.
AND I THINK WE'VE FOUND THAT TO BE MORE EFFICIENT ALSO SUPPORTS THE BUSINESSES HERE LOCALLY.
UM, BUT IT JUST IS LESS EXPENSIVE THAN MAINTAINING YOUR OWN STAFF.
UH, MANAGING COST INCREASES THE THINGS THAT WE MANAGE.
SO, UH, MR. RICE ACTUALLY JUST FINISHED HIS STUDY OF OUR 2022, UM, SPEND.
AND SO WE USE ROUGHLY 30,000 LESS KILOWATTS OF ENERGY, BUT SPENT $800,000 MORE, WHICH IS A DIRECT REFLECTION OF RATE INCREASES THAT WE DON'T HAVE CONTROL OVER, FRANKLY.
UM, AND THERE ARE ADDITIONAL INCREASES THAT HAVE COME THROUGH THAT WE ESTIMATED ARE ANYWHERE FROM 650 TO 800,000 MORE, AGAIN, DEPENDING ON CONSUMPTION.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT, UM, YOU KNOW, KATIE, LAST YEAR, UM, OUR APPROVED BUDGET ACROSS ALL FUNDS WAS 286 MILLION.
WELL, THIS YEAR AND LAST YEAR IT WAS 270.
WHERE DID THAT 16 MILLION GO? WELL, 11 MILLION IS DEBT.
SO I CAN'T MOVE THE TAX RATE FROM DEBT INTO OPERATIONS OR MOVE IT AROUND.
EITHER YOU HAVE IT THERE AND YOU'RE UTILIZING IT OR YOU'RE NOT.
UM, BUT THEN 800,000 FOR, UM, ENERGY, 3 MILLION IN TEACHER CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS.
YOU KNOW, IT GOES VERY QUICKLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT.
AND SO AS MUCH AS WE CAN SAY, WELL, CAN'T WE JUST FLATLINE EVERYTHING? WELL, EVERYONE ELSE IS ADDING, HOW ARE WE TO BE COMPETITIVE WHEN OUR MAIN COMPETITORS ARE ALSO ABLE TO LEVERAGE AND ARE LEVERAGING MORE DOLLARS THAN WE ARE IN TERMS OF PER STUDENT, NOT OVERALL.
UM, SO THAT IS HOW QUICKLY THOSE THINGS CAN GET EATEN UP.
LIABILITY INSURANCE, I KNOW THIS IS, I'M SURE MR. ORR'S FAVORITE THING IN THE WORLD TO TALK ABOUT.
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THIS YEAR, IN OUR CASE, LIBERTY MUTUAL, WE'VE HAD SOME CHALLENGES, AND I KNOW THEY WERE DOING THIS IN CROWN POINT, UM, AS WELL.THEY'VE GOT BURNED ON SOME COVERAGES DISTRICTS WHO ARE OFTEN UNDERVALUING THE VALUE OF, OF THEIR SCHOOL BUILDINGS.
IT'S PRETTY COMMON UNTIL YOU HAVE A MASS MASS EVENT AND A MASS DESTRUCTION AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU LOSE MORE BUILDINGS THAN YOU HAD INSURED IN TERMS OF THE TOTAL VALUE.
AND NOW WE ALL TOOK A HIT, SO THEY INCREASED OUR VALUATIONS BY 20%.
WELL, FOR US, IF YOU'RE PAYING 20% IS 20 MILLION IN COVERAGE.
AND SO THOSE THINGS HAVE TO BE COVERED.
WE DID AN RFP SEVERAL YEARS AGO BEFORE WE MOVED TO ASSURED PARTNERS.
UM, SO PREDATES ME, BUT THEY USED AN RFP PROCESS AND SO THEY SHOP AROUND THE RATES.
BUT THE REALITY IS FOR US, LIBERTY MUTUAL, BECAUSE OF OUR SIZE, SMALLER AGENCIES DON'T WANT TO WORK WITH US BECAUSE WE'RE SO BIG.
UM, HEALTH INSURANCE, I THINK THIS IS AN ISSUE WITH EVERYONE.
UM, WE'VE HAD SOME UPS AND DOWNS IN OUR RATES AND WE MADE A CONSCIOUS EFFORT.
UM, WHEN I, WHEN I STARTED, WE KNEW, EXCUSE ME, THAT THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH OUR HEALTH INSURANCE SELF-FUNDED.
AND SO WE INCREASED EMPLOYEE CONTRIBUTIONS.
WE ALSO HAD INCREASED EMPLOYER.
BUT BECAUSE OF OUR SIZE, IF YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, TOO MANY CLAIMS IN A YEAR TO GO OVER SPEC, AND FOR US, 275,000 IS ONE OUR SCOTT LAWS INSURANCE KICKS IN FOR THE CORPORATION.
SO THAT'S THE POINT WHERE THE INSURANCE PAYS THE CLAIMS OVER THAT.
BUT IF YOU HAVE A YEAR WHEN YOU SUDDENLY GO TO NINE AFTER HAVING FOUR, WE GET A 20% INCREASE IN SCOTT LOSS POLICY.
AND SO IN ADDITION, ANTHEM CARRIES THAT ANTHEM IS OUR PROVIDER.
ALL OF THOSE THINGS HAVE TO BE BARGAINED.
AND SO WE TWEAK THINGS TO MAKE THAT WORK, BUT WE ALSO KNOW THOSE THINGS ARE IMPORTANT TO STAFF THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO THE CORPORATION.
THEY'RE PUTTING STEPHANIE MM-HMM.
NOW THIS HASN'T HAPPENED IN QUITE SOME TIME, UH, BUT WE DID IN HERS, UH, THE INDIANA PUBLIC RETIREMENT SYSTEM DID SLIGHTLY INCREASE THEIR PENSION CONTRIBUTION RATE FOR CERTIFIED STAFF BY HALF A PERCENT.
BUT AGAIN, A HALF A PERCENT WHEN YOU HAVE 1300 TEACHERS IS MEASURABLE.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT INSIGNIFICANT.
SO THE BIG QUESTION, UM, WHAT IF THERE'S NO REFERENDUM? UM, AND I WANT TO MAKE THIS REALLY CLEAR.
ULTIMATELY SPENDING REDUCTIONS ARE POLICY DECISION MADE BY THE BOARD.
THE, I DO NOT MAKE A DECISION ON MAKING 26 MILLION IN CUTS IN A VACUUM.
UM, THIS DISTRICT DID GO THROUGH, UM, A TASK FORCE PROCESS, WHICH I'M GONNA SPEAK TO IN A COUPLE SLIDES.
BUT ULTIMATELY THERE IS A WIDE BIRTH OF PEOPLE ON A COMMITTEE, UM, THAT VALUE MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS.
THERE'S STUDIES THAT ARE, UH, SURVEYS THAT ARE SENT OUT, BUT THERE'S A PROCESS THAT WE USE.
AND I ACTUALLY, UH, MRS. MADISON HAD, WAS THE ONE THAT WE DID WHEN SHE WAS FORTUNATE TO GET TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS IN 2020 AND 2021.
UM, THIS WAS THE, THE BUDGET STUDY TASK FORCE TIMELINE THAT WAS UTILIZED AFTER THE SEPTEMBER COUNT.
UM, CAME IN WITH A LOSS IN STUDENT POPULATION OF, I THINK IT WAS, WAS IT 800 STEPHANIE? UM, 800 STUDENTS.
SO IT'S A $5 MILLION REDUCTION THAT WAS MADE.
AND IT IS A THREE TO FOUR MONTH PROCESS.
MOST OF THOSE THINGS HAVE TO GO THROUGH DISTRICT DISCUSSION.
UM, THE STATE LAW LIST, ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH DISCUSSION, UM, WITH, WITH THE ASSOCIATION ON, UM, BECAUSE I MEAN, THAT'S JUST THE PROCESS THAT WE WOULD USE.
SO THIS IS A PROCESS WE HAVE TO UTILIZE WHETHER THE BOARD APPROVES THIS MOVING FORWARD TO THE BALLOT OR NOT, WE HAVE TO DO IT EITHER WAY BECAUSE TO MR. MOORE'S POINT, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BACK IN JANUARY, WE STILL HAVE TO PLAN EVEN GETTING IT ON THE BALLOT FOR VOTERS TO DECIDE IS NO GUARANTEE.
AND WE TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT.
SO THIS WILL HAVE TO BE UTILIZED NO MATTER WHAT.
KATIE, REAL QUICK, DID YOU SAY THE, UM, 800 STUDENT LOSS, WAS THAT HER FEBRUARY COUNT OR A FALL COUNT? NO, THIS WAS FALL OF 2020.
THIS IS JUST THE, THIS IS THE BUDGET TASK FORCE PROCESS THAT WAS UTILIZED.
IT WAS ESSENTIALLY TWO YEARS AGO WHEN YOU THINK TWO AND A HALF.
UM, I THINK IT'S RELEVANT STILL.
UH, IT WASN'T LIKE IT WAS 10 YEARS AGO THAT WE USED IT.
UM, THE BUDGET TASK FORCE PROCESS, THE THINGS WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING IS THIS IS SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PUT TOGETHER TIMELINE WISE.
UM, I THINK WE WILL, YOU KNOW, COMMENCING AFTER THE MARCHY SCHOOL BOARD MEETING, BUT I THINK WE'RE
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STILL GONNA HAVE TO TALK ABOUT IT.UM, AND I WANT TO BE CLEAR, BECAUSE I, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS, I DON'T, I DON'T BELIEVE IN LET'S MAKE EVERYBODY AFRAID OF WHAT THEY'RE GONNA LOSE.
SO WE CAN INSTILL SUPPORT, BUT NO MATTER WHAT WE DO, WHEN YOU SEND OUT AN EMAIL AND SAY, HEY, WE'D LIKE YOU TO BE ON THE BUDGET TASK FORCE COMMITTEE BECAUSE WE DO HAVE TO PLAN.
I DON'T CARE HOW GENTLY WE WORK THROUGH THIS, I DON'T CARE HOW GENTLE I AM IN THE DELIVERY, IT WILL MAKE PEOPLE A UNCOMFORTABLE AND IT'S GOING TO MAKE ALARM THAT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT BECAUSE MY INTENTION IS NOT TO CREATE THAT, BUT JUST VIRTUE OF SAYING WE HAVE TO PLAN IT WILL MAKE PEOPLE UNCOMFORTABLE.
AND SO I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT.
I DIDN'T WANT TO PUT TOGETHER THE TASK FORCE WITH DR.
STOKES AND THEN HAVE YOU ALL, ALL BLINDSIDED WHEN PEOPLE ARE LIKE, WHY ARE THEY DOING THE WHAT? IT'S, IT IS A REALITY OF WHAT WE HAVE TO DO TO BE PREPARED.
IT WOULD BE IRRESPONSIBLE TO GO INTO FOR FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO HAVE THE BOARD'S APPROVAL TO GO TO THE NOVEMBER BALLOT.
IT, IT WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE FOR US NOT TO BE PREPARED BECAUSE NOTHING, UM, IS A, FOR OUR CONCLUSION.
SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CUTS TO TALK ABOUT WHAT OUR BUDGETS LOOK LIKE WITHOUT IT.
AND SO WHAT I HAVE UP THERE IS JUST A SIMPLIFI CHART AND YOU CAN SEE THE EDUCATION FUND FUND FUNDING, UH, REVENUES ARE 151.
THAT'S ACTUALLY THE BUDGET AND THEN THE EXPENDITURE OF THE BUDGET AS WELL FOR APPS.
AND I SAY THIS BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT 80% OF OUR TOTAL FUNDING AND THOSE, THOSE ARE OUR TWO LARGEST OPERATIONAL FUNDS.
SO IF YOU TAKE OUT REFERENDUM AT 26 MILLION OPERATIONS IS ONLY 37 MILLION, YOU CANNOT JUST CUT OPERATIONS TO MAKE THAT UP.
SO I THINK TO GIVE EVERYBODY AN IDEA, IT WOULDN'T SHOCK ME IF THE REDUCTIONS RE RESEMBLED THE WAY THE FUNDING LOOKS NOW.
80% WOULD HAVE TO COME FROM EDUCATION POTENTIALLY, UM, JUST OVER.
AND JUST UNDER 20% WOULD COME FROM OPERATIONS.
AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT.
THERE IS NO WAY THAT WE CANNOT, WE CAN MAKE CUTS THAT WE CAN ELIMINATE REFERENDUM COSTS AND NOT IMPACT THE CLASSROOM.
I DON'T CARE HOW MANY ADMINISTRATORS YOU CUT, I'M NOT SAYING THERE WOULDN'T BE ADMINISTRATORS CUT.
I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT YOU HAVE TO MAKE CUTS, THAT'S WHERE YOU START.
UM, THAT'S, THAT'S JUST THE WAY THAT IT IS.
BUT YOU CANNOT REDUCE THE EXPENDITURES AND OPERATIONS TO 11 MILLION.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, COULD IT BE THAT IT'S 70% ED AND 30? SURE, BUT I'M JUST SAYING BY AND LARGE, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO SEE THOSE NUMBERS BECAUSE IT'S OVER $20 MILLION TO THE EDUCATION FUND, UM, THAT IT SUPPORTS.
UM, THIS IS JUST I THINK MORE FOR DISCUSSION, BUT THERE ARE SO MANY OF THOSE OPERATIONS FUND EXPENDITURES, SOME OF WHICH DO COME OUT OF REFERENDUM THAT JUST CAN'T BE CUT.
WE CAN'T CUT GAS AND ELECTRIC WATER AND SEWER, YOU KNOW, BUS DRIVERS AND MECHANICS.
I WOULD TELL YOU, AS EVERYBODY KNOWS, UM, BUS DRIVERS ARE, I THINK WE WERE AT FULL STAFF AND THAT MIGHT CHANGE BY THE BY THE DAY.
BUT BECAUSE OF SHORTAGES, WE'RE ALSO HAVING TO PAY OVERTIME BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GET KIDS TO SCHOOL.
WE CAN'T GET KIDS TO SCHOOL, WE CAN'T HAVE SCHOOL.
UM, CUSTODIAL OUTSOURCING IS ALREADY AT A MINIMUM, UM, AND WORK WORKING, UM, CONSTANTLY TO INCREASE STAFFING WITH THE ORGANIZATION EVEN THOUGH THEY INCREASE THE RATE THAT THEY PAY.
THEY'RE HAVING THE SAME DIFFICULTIES THAT WE HAVE.
UM, AND THINGS LIKE OUR LIABILITY INSURANCE.
I MEAN WE, WE CAN'T NOT BE INSURED, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S A MILLION AND A HALF DOLLARS COMING THROUGH.
UM, THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS THROUGH BOTH SOME OF THE MEETINGS, UM, AS WELL AS THE SHARED DOCUMENT.
AND SO SOME OF THOSE I'M GONNA HIT HERE.
AND THEN I PRINTED SOME OTHER ONES THAT WERE A LITTLE LARGER IN DISCUSSION THAT I DIDN'T WANT TO TAKE UP MULTIPLE SLIDES.
SO THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT DO WE PLAN TO INCREASE THE, INCREASE THE RATE? AND I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, MY ANSWER TO THAT IS NO AT THIS TIME I DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT.
I WOULD SAY IT'S A CONTINUATION.
UM, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT WHICH BUCKET STICKS CAN BE PAID FROM AND I JUST WANTED EVERYBODY TO KNOW THAT'S DICTATED BY THE INDIANA STATE BOARD OF ACCOUNTS AND THOSE LINKS, IF YOU REMEMBER FROM OUR DECEMBER PRESENTATION, WE SHARED, UM, THE LINKS.
THE STATE IS WHO TELLS US WHAT WE CAN SPEND DOLLARS WHERE REFERENDUM IS THE FRONT THAT HAS MORE FLEXIBILITY, EDUCATION AND OPERATIONS ARE PRETTY, THERE IS NOT A LOT OF OVERLAP, IF ANY, BETWEEN THOSE PER THE STATE BOARD.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE A RATE OF 2, 2 75, UH, IF THE FULL AMOUNT'S NOT NEEDED, CAN WE DECREASE IT? YES, YOU CAN ALWAYS TAKE LESS, UM, THAN WHAT YOU HAVE APPROVED.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WOULD SEE.
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A LOT WHERE THEY'VE REALLY CAMPAIGNED ON, UH, KEEPING IT AT A HIGHER RATE TO PROTECT THEM BECAUSE SO MUCH OF THEIR AV IS TIED INTO ONE THING BEING SPEEDWAY, THAT IF THAT VALUE GOES DOWN, THAT'S A BIG HIT FOR THEM.UM, SO YES, YOU CAN DECREASE IT.
AND THEN I KNOW THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT FOUR TO FIVE YEARS OF BRAND INFORMATION TO TALK ABOUT STAFF.
KE WILL COVER IN I GRANT 1 0 1 WORK SESSION.
YOU KNOW, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE TODAY, BUT IT GOT PUSHED.
YOU KNOW, I KNOW EVERYBODY WANTS TO MEET LIKE THREE TIMES A WEEK, BUT I KNOW EVERYBODY HAS LIARS OUTSIDE HERE.
I THINK, UM, CAN YOU PROVIDE OPTIONS FOR WHAT THE RATE COULD BE? AND THIS IS WHY I SAY NOT AT THIS TIME BECAUSE WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF A BIUM.
THE STATE IS DOING THEIR BUDGET RIGHT NOW.
I THINK THAT WILL BE, THAT WILL IMPACT US OF ALL THE WAY ACROSS.
SO WHEN THAT'S DONE IN APRIL AND WE HAVE A BETTER IDEA WHAT OUR FUNDING IS FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS, I'LL BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU A DIFFERENT QUESTION.
BUT AGAIN, ULTIMATELY THE RATE IS ALSO A POLICY DECISION BY THE BOARD.
THAT IS NOT SOLELY MY DECISION.
UM, THIS ONE GOT A LITTLE WORDY.
WE WERE GOING THROUGH, UM, THE BUDGET ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE UTILIZED, WE BUDGETED LESS WITHIN REFERENDUM FOR THIS YEAR.
UH, AND SOME OF THAT IS KNOWING IT'S NOT A FOUR MONTH CONCLUSION, CASH BALANCE GIVES US MORE TIME TO PHASE IN CHANGES WE WOULD'VE TO MAKE.
UM, BUT I, JUST FOR YOUR BENEFIT AND FOR THE COMMUNITIES, MY SHORT ANSWER IS NO.
AND BECAUSE OF THAT, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HERE THAT WE, UH, DR.
STOKES AND YOUR ELT TEAM JUST, IT WASN'T RESPONSIBLE TO TRY TO GET THOSE THINGS OFF THE GROUND UNTIL WE KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING.
AND THAT INCLUDES, YOU KNOW, EXPANSION OF SROS IN THE SCHOOL BUILDINGS.
WE GET, WE HEAR A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.
UH, I THINK WE'RE WORKING THROUGH SOME THINGS RIGHT NOW TO ADD, BUT ULTIMATELY WE CAN'T PUT THEM IN EVERY BUILDING WHEN WE, IF WE DON'T HAVE THIS FUNDING, THAT CAN'T EVEN BE A LONG-TERM GOAL.
UM, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT FULL DAY PRE-K, UM, WITH A GOAL THAT ALL STUDENTS IN THE AGENCY BOUNDARY GET ONE YEAR OF EDUCATION SUPPORT BEFORE THEY ENTER KINDERGARTEN.
UM, YOU HEARD, UM, IN YOUR MEETING LAST WEEK ABOUT THE TYPE OF BEHAVIORS AND CHALLENGES THAT YOUR PRESCHOOL AND YOUR KINDERGARTEN TEACHERS YOU'RE SEEING.
AND SO WE THINK THIS WOULD BE A GOOD THING.
I THINK IT'S ALSO A CONVERSATION DR.
STOKES HAS HAD A NAUSEUM WITH, UH, WITH BOTH MAYORS AND NOBLES, WELL FISHERS ABOUT THAT NEED FOR STUDENTS TO HAVE SOME OF THAT STRUCTURE SOONER.
UM, EXPANSION OF OUR TEACHER AND RESIDENTS PROGRAM, UM, THAT PROVIDES EXPERIENTIAL LEARNING OPPORTUNITIES.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S AGRO PARK AS HUFF SPOKE AS CONNER PRAIRIE, SECOND ONE, RICHARD WOODS.
UM, WE DON'T WANNA ADD MORE STAFF INTO THAT PROGRAM WHEN LIKELY WITHOUT A REFERENDUM, THOSE WOULD BE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, WOULD THEY BE OFFERED, WOULD THEY NOT BE OFFERED BUT EXPANDING THEM? UM, WOULDN'T BE RESPONSIBLE.
UM, AND THEN CONTINUING TO EXPAND THE GLOBAL STUDIES AND STEM POSITIONS IN K FOUR.
WE'VE BEEN ADDING THOSE GENERALLY ANNUALLY.
BUT AGAIN, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT REDUCTIONS, YOU ARE CUTTING FROM THE OUTSIDE IN.
AND AGAIN, THERE'S A TASK FORCE THAT EVALUATES THAT.
BUT THE REALITY IS, ARE YOU GOING TO KEEP AN EXPERIENTIAL LEARNING OPPORTUNITY IF THAT MEANS CLASSROOM SIZES ARE GONNA HAVE TO BE BIGGER.
AND I THINK THOSE ARE THE DISCUSSIONS PEOPLE HAVE AND GENERALLY PEOPLE WOULD SAY NO.
UM, SO THAT'S THE REASON FOR MY SHORT NOT SO SHORT ANSWER THERE, MS. BREWER, THAT IS ACTUALLY THE END OF THE PRESENTATION AT LARGE.
UM, THERE WERE SOME OTHER QUESTIONS I CAN GO THROUGH.
I CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS FOR YOU ALL.
UM, WE CAN TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE BUDGETARY INFORMATION.
YOU KNOW, WE HAD A REFERENDUM THAT PAST SEVEN YEARS AGO WITH THAT COMMITMENT.
ARE WE LIVING UP TO THAT COMMITMENT? SO DO WE HAVE LIKE A LIST OF THAT SAYS HERE'S WHAT WE WERE PLANNING TO DO WITH THAT REFERENDUM AND NOW WE'RE DOING IT THE SECOND IT GOT MISSED.
THE SECOND SLIDE IN THE PRESENTATION OR THE FIRST SLIDE AFTER THE TITLE SLIDE TALKS ABOUT WHAT WAS LAID OUT AND WHAT'S BEEN ACCOMPLISHED.
AND SO I WOULD SAY BY AND LARGE, YES WE HAVE ELEMENTARY SISTER PRINCIPLES, WE'VE HOLD IT.
WE'VE HELD, UM, THE CLASSROOM TARGET SIZES.
WE ARE NO LONGER IN THE BOTTOM THIRD OF GALLERY BENEFITS SLIDE ON THE PIN.
SHOULD LET JEFF LEAVE MY NICE STRENGTH.
SO AS I AM IN NO WAY OF A FINANCIAL PERSON WHEN
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IT COMES TO SCHOOL EDUCATION AND FUNDING, UM, YOU SENT US SOME GREAT INFORMATION WHEN YOU SENT OVER THE BUDGETS AND YOU SENT THE INFORMATION AND YOU KNOW, I'M, I CONSIDER MYSELF SOMEONE THAT LIKES TO DO RESEARCH TO COMPARE SOME INFORMATION TO SEE, UM, WHERE WE ARE GOING FORWARD.AND ONE OF THE THINGS I NOTICED THAT I'M NOT CLEAR ON THAT, MAYBE YOU CAN EXPLAIN IT TO ME.
I NOTICED THERE'S LIKE A CERTIFIED RATE FOR OUR OPERATIONS FUND AND IT DROPPED FROM POINT 44 OR 40.
SO YOU TOOK ABOUT FOR OPERATIONS, UHHUH
SO WE DROPPED 38 MILLION FROM 2019 TO 36 MILLION IN 2023 DUE TO A LOWER RANGE.
SO HOW LONG CAN WE EXPECT THIS STAY AT THAT RATE? I MEAN, HOW DOES THAT RATE CHANGE? ARE YOU LOOKING AT THAT? I'M NOT SURE WHAT DOCUMENT YOU HAVE.
CAUSE I THINK OUR APPROVED BUDGET WAS 37 MILLION THIS YEAR.
LET'S SEE, ATTACHMENT SHANNON, I'M ON THE OPERATIONS FUND WHERE WE HAVE A CERTIFIED RATE DROP.
IT WAS POINT 44 IN 2019 THAT YOU SENT US.
THESE, THE ATTACHMENTS THAT ARE IN THE FOUR DOCS, OKAY? MM-HMM.
AND, AND, AND THAT'S A GOOD THING IS WHAT I'M SAYING THOUGH IS HOW LONG CAN WE EXPECT TO STAY? HOW DOES THAT RATE CHANGE AND HOW LONG CAN WE CONSIDER STAYING AT THAT RATE? ARE YOU LOOKING AT EXPENDITURES? IS THE RATE SHEETS IS SAYING THAT THE RATE WASN'T ON THOSE SHEETS? SO WE'RE JUST SCRAMBLING TO LOOK AT WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.
BUT, UM, 2019, UM, MS. MADISON WAS, WAS COMMENTING WAS ALSO THE YEAR THAT THEY COMBINED THE FUNDS.
SO THAT WAS WHEN WE HAD TRANSPORTATION, UH, CAPITAL PROJECTS FUND, UM, PLUS REPLACEMENT.
AND THOSE WERE ALL COMBINED INTO THE OPERATIONS FUND.
BUT, AND THEY MOVED EXPENDITURES THAT WERE PAID FOR EDUCATION TO THE 19 FOUR YEARS.
YEAH, IT'S THE CERTIFIED RATE.
HOW DO WE KEEP THAT? BECAUSE IT WAS, SO MY QUESTION WAS IN THE PAST IT WAS, SO MY QUESTION WAS, IN THE PAST IT WAS HIGH, NOW IT'S LOWER.
HOW LONG CAN WE EXPECT TO KEEP THAT LOWER? SO WE ARE, UM, TIED TO A MAXIMUM LEVING FUND.
SO, AND, AND WE ARE RIGHT AT THAT MAXIMUM LEVEE EVERY YEAR.
AND YOU LOOK AT OUR 1782 NOTICE, THERE IS A LINE ON THERE THAT SHOWS WHAT, WHAT WE ARE BELOW.
IT'S USUALLY WITHIN JUST A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND.
SO THE LEVEE IS WHERE WE'RE FIXED.
AND SO THAT RATE CAN ADJUST ACCORDING TO ASSESSED VALUE.
SO WE MAY BE GETTING JUST AS MUCH LEVY WITH THAT SMALLER RATE BECAUSE OF INCREASED ASSESSED VALUE AS WE WERE WITH THE HIGHER RATE.
SO I REALLY THINK LOOKING AT THE LEVY IS PROBABLY MORE BENEFICIAL.
SO THAT REFERENDUM FUND IS RATE CONTROLLED, SO IT'S 0.2 2 75 REGARDLESS, BUT OPERATIONS IS NOT.
SO MS. MADISON'S ALLUDING TO IS WHEN YOU SEE A, YOU KNOW, 12% INCREASE.
I'M THROWING THAT NUMBER OUT THERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS 12 LAST YEAR, BUT I KNOW IT WAS HIGH.
UM, INCREASE IN YOUR ASSESSED VALUE.
THE STATE OF THE DEPARTMENT OF LITTLE GOVERNMENT FINANCE LIMITS, UM, ALL PUBLIC ENTITIES ON WHAT THEY CAN GROW BY.
UM, AND THAT'S BASED ON THE SIX YEAR AVERAGE OF NON-FARM INCOME.
IT'S JUST REALLY GREAT STUFF TO READ.
BUT THE DEPARTMENT LOOKS BETTER TO FINANCE, UM, GIVES US THAT DATA EVERY YEAR.
AND IT'S A ROLLING AVERAGE, SO YOU KNOW, YOUR ROLLS OFF AND THE YEAR COMES ON BOARD.
SO WHEN YOU HAVE AN INCREASE IN, UM, YOUR AV OF SAY 12%, BUT YOU CAN ONLY GROW BY 5%, WHICH IS WHAT THE STATE MANDATES, THEN YOU NEED A LOWER RATE TO GENERATE THOSE FUNDS.
AND SO THAT'S WHY IT'S LOWER BECAUSE IT'S NOT A RATE CONTROLLED FUND.
AND THEN CAN YOU, AND MAYBE I JUST MISSED THE QUESTION.
IS THIS SOMETHING THAT COULD POSSIBLY CHANGE AGAIN NEXT YEAR? HOW LONG DOES THAT STAY? IT'S APPROVED ANNUALLY.
SO IT DEPENDS ON THE COMBINATION OF WHAT IS THE GROWTH FACTOR, UH, THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT FINANCE PROVIDES US WITH.
UH, WHAT IS THE ASSESSED VALUATION GROWTH OR THE CERTIFIED LEVY, UH, THE, EXCUSE ME, CERTIFIED EV FOR THE SCHOOL CORPORATION FOR THE TAXING UNIT.
AND THEN ALSO WHAT IS EVERYBODY ELSE DOING? BECAUSE ALL OF OUR RATES OVERLAP.
AND SO THAT HAS AN IMPACT ON WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE CAP LAWS.
IT, IT FLUCTUATES, BUT WE CAN'T GROW.
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HOW MUCH YOU CAN GROW BY EVERY YEAR.5% IS UNHEARD OF THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS IT'S BEEN HIGHER.
EVENTUALLY THAT WILL, WE WERE USED TO YEARS LIKE TWO AND 3% FOR A LONG TIME.
I ALSO, UM, NOTICED THAT WE'RE PROJECTING ABOUT A $4 MILLION INCREASE IN REVENUE TO OUR OPERATIONS FUND OVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS.
WHAT IS YOUR CONFIDENCE LEVEL IN THAT TAX PROJECTION CALCULATION? HOW, HOW, HOW RELIABLE DO WE FEEL THAT IS? WELL, TAXES ARE FIGURED A YEAR BEHIND.
SO YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN PAY YEAR 23, BUT IT'S BASED OFF 22, 20 22 VALUES.
UM, SO I THINK YOU HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND WE'RE ALWAYS PLAYING FROM BEHIND.
BUT OVER THE NEXT FOUR YEARS, I THINK I'M FAIRLY CONFIDENT WITH IT.
OUR ESTIMATES ARE GENERALLY PRETTY CONSERVATIVE.
UM, AND THE TAX RATE GROWTH, WE'RE NOT ESTIMATING GROWTH AT 5% EVERY YEAR BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT OUR NORM.
STEPHANIE'S PULLING UP A PLAN RIGHT NOW TO LOOK WHILE SHE'S LOOKING LIKE, ASK ANOTHER QUESTION.
WHERE DO WE CURRENTLY RANK IN TERMS OF TEACHER PAY ON AVERAGE? NO.
I DON'T LOOK ALWAYS IN STATEWIDE.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE OVER THE REQUIREMENT, UM, FOR STARTING SALARY AND AVERAGE SALARY PER THE, PER THE, THE STATE LAW REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY ADDED SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
BUT I DUNNO WHERE WE WERE RANK IN.
AND I APPRECIATE THAT QUESTION MR. MOORE.
I I, I BROUGHT IT UP TO PRESIDENT LANE TOO, THAT, UM, SO BY LOOKING ALL THIS STUFF IS NUMBERS, RIGHT? AND MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY ARE, WE HAVE A LAYMAN COMMUNITY.
WE LOOK AT ALL THESE NUMBERS AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S THINGS DIVIDED IN DIFFERENT PLACES.
I THINK IF, IF WE WERE TO GO FROM A BACKWARDS WAY OF PRESENTING, GOING FROM A DIFFERENT, INSTEAD OF SAYING, HERE'S YOUR MONEY, THIS IS WHAT YOU CAN SPEND IT ON.
I'D LIKE TO SEE US KIND OF PUT OUT, HERE'S OUR GOALS, NOW LET'S FIND HOW WE CAN PAY FOR THOSE GOALS.
AND, AND THAT LEADS TO MY PERCEPTION AND I KNOW WE HAD AN EXECUTIVE MEETING THAT TALKED ABOUT, UM, AND WHEN I SAY EXECUTIVES, I SHOULD JUST SAY A RETREAT.
AND THIS IS PUBLIC INFORMATION AS WE DISCUSSED IT, AS OUR GOALS, YOU KNOW, HAS ALWAYS BEEN, YOU KNOW, ACADEMIC EXCELLENCE AND HOW DO WE GET THERE.
SO WHEN I HEAR SOME OF THAT CONVERSATION, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE REFERENDUM, THAT THERE'S A LOT OF THOSE ITEMS THAT WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER THAT WOULD HELP IN OUR ACADEMIC FIELD OF EXPLORATORY LEARNING.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENT PROGRAMS FOR, UM, EXPONENTIAL LEARNING, GLOBAL STUDIES, YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE THINGS THAT WE'RE SAYING THAT'S REFERENDUM.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE EDUCATION FUND, WHAT'S, WHAT'S IN THAT EDUCATION FUND? IS IT JUST THE SALARIES THAT WE'RE NOT PUTTING SOME OF THESE EDUCATION ITEMS INTO THAT FUND? DO YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? AND THEN FROM THERE, I, I KNOW THAT WHEN HE BROUGHT UP THE TEACHER'S SALARIES AND SOME OF MY INFORMATION, I LOOKED AT THE DOE ANNUAL FINANCIAL REPORT FROM 2021, WE HAVE 27% OF OUR TOP, UM, TOP OF THE PAY SCALE FOR OUR TEACHERS.
SO I KNOW WE JUST MOVED UP OUR SCALE THAT'S HUNDRED AND 61 TEACHERS THAT ARE ALREADY AT OUR TOP SCALE.
WHAT IS THE PROCESS IF WE WANT TO BE THE NUMBER ONE PAID TEACHERS IN THE STATE, THAT WHAT DO WE DO TO MOVE THAT SCALE? IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE, AS THE BOARD DO? WHERE DO WE GET THAT THE INFORMATION FROM YOU? IT'S COLLECTIVE BARGAINING.
IT GOES THROUGH THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING PROCESS WITH THE TEACHER'S ASSOCIATION.
WE DID, UM, BASICALLY WE ADVANCED A STEP.
SO WE DROVE THE HIGHEST LEVEL UP AND WE ACTUALLY DROVE THE BOTTOM UP AS WELL.
SO OUR STARTING SALARY I THINK WENT UP TO OVER 44, I REMEMBER CORRECTLY.
BUT, UM, TO MAKE US COMPETITIVE, UM, AROUND US.
SO, BUT THAT'S BARGAINED COLLECTIVELY.
UM, WE KEEP, WE'RE ACTUALLY ADDING STAFF INTO THE HIGHEST LEVEL.
UM, AND THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR RETENTION, RIGHT? BECAUSE IF SOMEBODY ELSE'S HIGHER THAN US, PEOPLE CAN JUMP.
NOW THERE'S A LOT OF REASONS PEOPLE DON'T, IF IT'S A FEW THOUSAND DOLLARS, BUT IT'S COLLECTIVELY BARGAINED IS WHAT I WOULD TELL YOU.
UM, BUT OUR, FOR EXAMPLE, OUR, OUR SUPPORT, LIKE OUR IAS, THOSE ARE NOT PART OF THAT.
THEY'RE NOT PART OF COLLECTIVE BARGAINING, BUT THEY'RE PART OF THE EDUCATION FUND.
SO DO WE CURRENTLY PAY OUR IAS OUT OF THE EDUCATION FUND OR DO WE PAY THEM ON EDUCATION FUND? AND THEN ARE ALL OF THE TEACHERS IN EDUCATION FUND, NONE OF OUR TEACHERS ARE BEING PAID OUTTA REFERENDUM, IS THAT CORRECT?
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YEAH, JUST SCHOOL PSYCHOLOGISTS ARE IN THE REFERENDUM FUND.I THINK THAT DECISION WAS MADE BACK IN 2021.
SO AGAIN, MY LAYMAN BRAIN, LIKE OUR MATH, OUR SCIENCE, OUR, OUR CORE EDUCATION, ALL OUR ED, OUR EDUCATORS ARE PAID OUT OF OUR EDUCATION FUND.
AND THOSE ARE AGAIN DICTATED BY THOSE STATE BOARD OF ACCOUNTS.
THE ACCOUNTING MANUAL SAYS, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, ONE 1100 IS ELEMENTARY, THAT ACCOUNT NUMBER HAS TO GO IN THE EDUCATION FUND OR THE REFERENDUM FUND, ONE 12 HUNDREDS MIDDLE SCHOOL, ONE THIRTEENS HIGH SCHOOL.
UM, YOU KNOW, I'M RUNNING OUT OF NUMBERS, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT TELLS US WHERE THEY HAVE TO BE BOOKED.
WE DON'T DECIDE REFERENDUM IS THE ONLY FLEXIBILITY, BUT WE DON'T DECIDE IF WE'RE GONNA PAY, YOU KNOW, OFFICE OF THE PRINCIPAL IS 2 40, 100 AND IT'S PAID OUT OF EDUCATION BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE ACCOUNTING MANUALS DOESN'T HAVE TO BE PAID OUT OF.
SO THIS BEING A BUDGET HERE WITH THE STATE, NO, NO.
THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS HAPPENING IN THE CURRENT LEGISLATURE IF YOU HAVE ANTICIPATION OF THE TIMELINE AND WHEN WE EXPECT TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THAT WILL FACTOR INTO THIS AS WELL.
SO JUST FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, THAT'S WHERE MY MIND GOES.
HOW CAN THIS KIND OF HELP US IN, IN COMING UP WITH SOME OF THIS? SO THEY WILL SIGN DIE THE SESSION IN APRIL.
UH, IT'S A LONG SESSION BECAUSE OF THE BUDGET.
SO ONCE THE STATE BUDGET'S APPROVED, THAT'S REALLY WHEN WE WILL KNOW, UM, GENERALLY SPEAKING.
SO I WOULD SAY BY THE END OF APRIL WE'D BE IN A BETTER POSITION.
BUT THAT'S ALSO A GOOD TIME BECAUSE IT GIVES US ABOUT SIX WEEKS TO GET REALLY STARTED WITHIN THE BUDGET TASK FORCE DISCUSSIONS.
UM, WHICH I THINK WILL BE RELEVANT, RIGHT? THOSE TWO THINGS WILL BRIDGE TOGETHER.
I MEAN WE DID SEE, UM, YOU KNOW, INCREASES THE LAST TWO YEARS WE'VE SEEN LAST, THE LAST BUDGET SESSIONS, PUBLIC SCHOOLS SAW, UM, INCREASES THEY HAD NOT SEEN PREVIOUSLY.
BUT NOW EVERYBODY'S BATTLING INFLATION, WHICH WE HOPE DOESN'T LAST FOREVER.
BUT IN THE SHORT TERM IT CERTAINLY HAS AN IMPACT.
ALSO WITH THAT, WE KNOW THAT THERE'S A PROPERTY OR THERE'S A, UM, A CAP ON REFERENDUM THAT IS IN CURRENT DISCUSSION FOR A BILL LEGISLATION TOO.
YEAH, IT'S FOR A 5% CAP ON REFERENDUM.
AND WHILE MISSY'S LOOKING IT UP, I WAS GONNA ASK SOMETHING SIMILAR TO, TO MS. THOMAS.
THE ON THE IAS AS FAR AS WHERE DO WE KIND OF RANK MM-HMM.
I'M NOT SURE IF THOSE ARE TOLD THE SAME THING IN EVERY SCHOOL DISTRICT THAT THAT PROBABLY IS DIFFICULT INFORMATION GET YEAH, INSTRUCTIONAL ASSISTANCE PARAPROFESSIONALS, THEY VARY SLIGHTLY.
SO THIS WILL BE TOUGH INFORMATION KIND OF TO GET.
BUT I GUESS OUR POINT IS, I THINK WE'RE ALL SAYING SOMETHING SIMILAR THAT IT IS BEFORE WE GET INTO THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF HOW TO PLAN A BUDGET, I THINK WE ALL WANT TO AGREE ON PRIORITY.
MY GOAL WOULD BE THAT EVERY DIRECTLY STUDENT FACING PERSON, TEACHERS, IAS MM-HMM.
WE RANK EXTREMELY HIGH, IF NOT IN THE VERY TOP OF, OF THE AVERAGE, AT LEAST IN THE STATE.
I'D LOVE EVEN BEYOND, BUT AT LEAST IN THE STATE, ONCE WE DO THAT, THEN WE START PARING DOWN FROM THERE.
SO WE, UM, WHEN WE WORK THROUGH IN THE FALL OF 2021, UM, WE WORKED THROUGH COMPENSATION AND SO WE HAVE SOME RECORDS, UH, WE CERTAINLY CAN PULL FROM THAT TIME THAT HAVE COMPARATIVE UH, PAY, PAY INFORMATION FOR OTHER DISTRICTS.
AND WE REALLY DO COMPARE SURROUNDING.
BUT WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT, UM, THE MSDS.
AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE VERY APPROXIMATE MSD LAWRENCE, UM, THE MSDS JUST TEND TO HAVE A DIFFERENT PAY SCALE THAN WE DO.
SO WE ACTUALLY, UM, IAS WERE ONE OF THE AREAS WHERE THEY RECEIVED, UM, I KNOW IT WAS $2 OVERALL, WHICH I THINK CAME UP TO CLOSE TO 15% I WOULD HAVE TO BEAR, BUT ROUGH.
BUT I KNOW IT WAS WELL OVER 10% OF AN INCREASE IN THEIR HOURLY RATE, UM, TO MAKE US MORE COMPETITIVE, UM, WITH THAT GOAL OF MIND.
WE CAN CERTAINLY HAVE SOMEONE UPDATED AS PART OF THAT.
WE ALSO KNOW BUS DRIVERS ARE A CHALLENGE.
YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WE WORK THROUGH IS THE TRIP RATE.
UM, WE SPEND, I THINK IT'S 40,000 TRIP HOURS ON STUDENT TRIPS.
SO THAT'S ATHLETICS, THAT'S BAND, THAT'S ORCHESTRA, THAT'S THE WHOLE NINE YARDS.
AND WE DON'T CHARGE PARENTS ADDITIONAL FOR THAT.
BUT WE DON'T PAY THE $29 AN HOUR RATE.
WE PAY A TRIP RATE, WHICH IS $16 AN HOUR.
DISTRICTS ARE STARTING TO PAY THAT AN HOURLY RATE CUZ DRIVERS ARE LIKE, I DON'T WANT TO DO IT.
AND IT THROWS OFF MY OVERTIME RATE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE BEING PAYROLL PEOPLE, WE HAVE TO DO LOADED OVERTIME AND WHEN YOU TAKE A $29 AN HOUR RATE IN 16, IT DRIVES IT DOWN.
WE NEED TO GET TO A POINT WHERE WE CAN PAY THAT SO THAT MR. MCKINNEY CAN FILL THE TRIP.
SO WE DON'T HAVE SITUATIONS WHERE, WHERE DRIVERS DON'T WANT TO DO IT.
BUT THAT HAS ABOUT A CLOSE TO $300,000 PRICE TAG.
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MS. LIBBY, MRS. MADISON, MYSELF, MR. MCKINNEY AND HIS, UM, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, MS. WADES, WE'RE MEETING TO START UNDERSTANDING BETTER IN THE OPERATION.HOW CAN WE ABSORB THIS DIFFERENTLY? CAUSE IT'S NOT GONNA GO AWAY.
SO I WOULD, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'RE ALWAYS DOING THAT RIGHT.
BUT THOSE ARE ALWAYS, I THINK OUR GOALS, UNDERSTANDING LIKE THE ICE ARE GREAT, THE TEACHERS ARE, WELL, WE GOTTA GIVE KIDS TO SCHOOL AS WELL.
OBVIOUSLY THERE'S, THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS LIKE YOU SAID IN OPERATIONS THAT YOU SIMPLY CAN'T DO ABOUT ELECTRICITY, GAS PLUS, I MEAN, YOU, YOU HAVE TO DO THESE THINGS.
I THINK, UM, SOMETHING ELSE THAT JUST CAME FROM YOUR ANSWER, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO LOOK WHO WE'RE MODELING OURSELVES AFTER AND BE CONSISTENT ACROSS THE BOARD ON THAT.
SO I'VE SEEN ABOUT THREE DIFFERENT KIND OF COHORTS, IF YOU WILL.
UM, WE LOOK AT ONE COHORT GROUP WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT ACADEMIC ACHIEVEMENT.
WE LOOK AT ONE GROUP WHEN WE'RE MODELING OURSELVES FINANCIALLY, WE LOOK AT ANOTHER WHEN IT COMES TO TRANSPORTATION OPERATIONS COSTS.
I THINK WE NEED TO PICK ONE AND SAY WHO DO WE WANT TO BE COMPARED TO? AND BE CONSISTENT ACROSS THAT.
WE DON'T WANT TO COMPARE OURSELVES TO ONE GROUP WHEN IT COMES TO ACADEMIC ACHIEVEMENT.
ANOTHER GROUP WHEN IT COMES TO FINANCE AND PAY, WHO ARE THE BEST OUT THERE? WE SHOULD COMPARE OURSELVES TO THAT OR YOU KNOW, WE CAN ALL DISCUSS THAT.
WE SHOULD EITHER GO BY, BY SIZE ON EVERYTHING OR BY ACADEMIC ACHIEVEMENT ON EVERYTHING.
BUT I THINK THAT SHOULD BE, GENERALLY IT'S THE BEST PRACTICE JUST TO BEST PRACTICE.
HELEY, I KNOW CREATED A COHORT THAT ACCOUNTED FOR BOTH SIZE AND SIMILAR DEMOGRAPHICS.
UM, IF I SAID MORE THAN THAT, I WOULDN'T BE SPEAKING INTELLIGENTLY ABOUT IT.
SO I WILL LEAVE THAT TO HIM FOR ANOTHER TIME.
AND I THINK THE REASON THAT CAME UP IS BECAUSE WHEN WE TALK, I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND WHY IT DRAWS CONFUSION.
I THINK WHAT HAPPENS IS IF WE, OKAY, SO I'M GONNA USE THIS AS AN EXAMPLE.
MSDS GENERALLY THE PAY IS BETTER.
I CAN'T TELL YOU WHY I DON'T KNOW ALL OF THAT.
BUT IF WE COMPARE OURSELVES ACADEMICALLY TO MSDS, THEN WE ALSO GET FEEDBACK THAT IS, WE'RE NOT LIKE THEM, WE'RE NOT URBAN, WE'RE NOT THIS, WE'RE NOT THAT.
BUT THE REALITY IS THE PAY SCALE IN LAUREN'S TOWNSHIP ABSOLUTELY MATTERS TO US BECAUSE OF OUR PROXIMITY.
SO I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S A, YOUR POINT IS WELL TAKEN, BUT THEN I ALSO, YOU KNOW, YES WE COMPETE WITH CARMEL, UH, WESTFIELD, UM, NOBLESVILLE, BUT FOR STAFF, BUT I DON'T, YOU KNOW, AND ACADEMICALLY I THINK RIGHT, THAT'S A PIECE.
BUT SOMETIMES WE'RE COMPETITIVE WITH THEM, BUT WE'RE LOSING AN IA A WEEK TO, TO AN MSD.
AND SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETIMES WHY YOU SEE THE VARIATION.
PELE'S LIST SORT OF GIVES US THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS.
I THINK PROBABLY IF WE EXPAND IT TO THE WHOLE STATE AND AVERAGE AND ACROSS LARGER NUMBERS, THEN THAT MAKES MORE SENSE.
THIS MORE WE NARROW IT DOWN TO SMALL COHORTS.
IT'S GONNA THROW OFF THE DATA.
SO ONE THING I'D BE INTERESTED IN NOTING, UM, SO AS WE LOOK AT FROM A ACROSS PERSPECTIVE, TRANSPORTATION, THERE'S OPERATIONAL COSTS.
WHEN WE MOVE TO A TIER THREE MODEL MM-HMM.
UH, AND I DON'T REMEMBER BECAUSE THAT HAPPENED BEFORE I WAS HERE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
UH, BUT IT REDUCED IT, UM, OVERALL.
AND HAVE WE DONE ANY PRELIMINARY FACTORING OF TRANSPORTATION COSTS FOR PURSUIT INSTITUTE IN THOSE PROGRAMS AS WE LOOK AT THE CT E EXPANSION OF THOSE PROGRAMS? BECAUSE THOSE WILL BE REQUIREMENTS FOR GRADUATION AS WE LOOK AT WORK-BASED LEARNING EXPERIENCES.
AND SO AS WE FORESEE THAT AND PROJECT THAT I WANT, I WANT US TO BE MINDFUL OF KEEPING THAT IN OUR THOUGHTS BECAUSE THAT IS DEFINITELY GONNA BE SOMETHING WE HAVE TO FACTOR FOR IN OUR COSTS AND PROJECTIONS.
MS. HOOVER, JUST TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT, UM, TEACHER PAY, WHERE WE RANK, I'LL GO AHEAD AND WALK.
THERE ARE 17 DISTRICTS, UM, WHERE MIKE COUNTERPARTS AND I, WE SHARE INFORMATION BECAUSE WE'RE ALWAYS COMPETING FOR, UM, THE TEACHERS.
SO THIS IS LOOKING AT AVON, BROWNSBURG CENTER, DECATUR, FRANKLIN, HSE, LAWRENCE NOBLESVILLE, PERRY PIKE, SPEEDWAY, LAUREN WASHINGTON, WAYNE WESTFIELD, AND ZIONSVILLE.
SO STARTING TEACHER SALARIES FOR TEACHERS WITH A BACHELOR'S DEGREE ACTUALLY WOULD RE RANK 15 ON THAT LIST.
AND FOR THE TOP PAY AND TEACHERS WITH THE MASTER'S DEGREE, THERE ARE 12 DISTRICTS THAT RANK HIGHER THAN US IN PAY.
SO YES, THIS IS JUST, UM, AND HOW MANY IS ON YOUR LIST? MSY? 17 DISTRICTS.
AND THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE, SO, UM, ASK ASKED EARLIER, EXCUSE ME, ABOUT FORT WAYNE AND SOUTH BEND, THAT'S NOT INCLUDED.
THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK UP INCLUDE IN THIS LIST IF YOU WANNA COME HERE.
CAN YOU SAY THAT SECOND NUMBER? THAT THE 13TH RANKING, WHAT WAS THAT AGAIN? THAT IS OUR TOP, UM, TEACHER SALARY OF THOSE
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WHO HAVE A MASTER'S DEGREE.SO THAT'S THE TOP PAY TOP OF THIS SCALE.
AND THE FIRST RANKING IS STARTING SALARY, THOSE DEGREE.
SO CLARIFICATION, YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S, THERE ARE OUT OF 17, YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S 13 BETTER SCHOOLS PAID BETTER THAN US.
WHEN WE LOOK FOR BARGAINING, WE'RE REALLY LOOKING INSIDE LEY COUNTY.
WE'RE LOOKING AT NOBLESVILLE, CARMEL AND WESTFIELD.
I MEAN THAT'S, DO WE HAVE JUST THAT? MM-HMM.
I THINK REGARDLESS, THIS IS JUST ME MAKING A COMMENT.
I MEAN, IF WE WANT TO BE THE NUMBER ONE PAYING SCHOOL, UM, TEACHERS PAY.
UM, I THINK THERE'S, IN MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION, THERE'S SOME ADJUSTMENTS OR CHANGE AND UM, I'M NOT SURE WHERE THAT GOES.
I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT'S DONE ON THE FINANCIAL SIDE, BUT, UM, I, IT IN MY MY OPINION THAT WE NEED TO WORK ON THAT BETTER TO HAVE OUR TEACHERS BEING PAID BETTER.
AND THAT INCLUDES THEIR COMPENSATION.
THAT INCLUDES THE COMPENSATION, CORRECT.
I MEAN, EXCUSE ME, THE BENEFITS.
IN SOME SCENARIOS WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TEACHERS SALARIES AND THEIR AVERAGES, THE ADMINISTRATION IS LUMPED INTO THAT.
DO WE KNOW WHERE THAT IS HAPPENING FROM ACROSS THE BOARD FOR THE OTHER SCHOOLS WE'RE COMPARING OURSELVES TO? ARE THEY OFTEN AS WELL THAT, THAT I DON'T KNOW.
WHAT I WILL TELL YOU IS THE DATA, THIS IS THE ONE THING I A HUNDRED PERCENT OWE THE BOARD.
STOKES, IT HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU WANT TO PULL DATA, YOU FIND OUT SOMETIMES HOW INACCESSIBLE DATA IS, UM, IN, IN VIEW, UH, THROUGH THE STATE, WHICH USUALLY YOU CAN LOOK UP ALL THE SCHOOL DATA IS NOT WORKING, HASN'T BEEN WORKING FOR A WEEK,
UM, WE HAVE, UM, A, A RESOURCE, UM, UH, FORECAST FIVE IS WHAT IT USED TO BE.
IT'S ANALYTICAL FUNCTION THAT BASICALLY PULLS EVERY SCHOOL IN THE STATE, ALL THE VARIOUS STATE REPORTS.
WHEN I SAY VARIOUS, I MEAN A DOZEN OR MORE THAT WE FILE.
AND IT KIND OF GIVES YOU THE ABILITY TO COHORT AND COMPARE AND YOU CAN SET YOUR REPORTS.
SO IT HAS BEEN A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT THAN I ANTICIPATED TO GATHER SOME OF THAT DATA.
SO THAT IS THE ONE THING I HOPE TO HAVE DONE THE NEXT WEEK OR TWO.
I ACTUALLY HAD TO SET ASIDE A TIME TO MEET WITH THEM A SECOND TIME BECAUSE I CAN'T GET THE DATA TO MATCH.
CAUSE WHAT I'M TRYING TO SHOW IS ACROSS THE SCHOOLS THAT WE SORT OF HAVE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, CARMEL, NOBLESVILLE, WHERE'S THE STUDENT POPULATION? LIKE WHERE'S THAT TEACHER NUMBER LINE AND WHERE'S THAT ADMINISTRATOR NUMBER LINE? WHICH I THINK IS EXACTLY WHAT MAYBE MR. OR IS PLAYING ASKED FOR.
SO THAT'S ONE THING I OWE YOU GUYS.
YEAH, I THINK IT'S, IT'D BE REAL IMPORTANT TO COME UP WITH A DEFINITION OF TEACHER.
WE START SAYING, WE WANT TO HAVE THE HIGHEST AVERAGE TEACHER PAY.
WE WANT TO DO THIS FOR OUR TEACHERS.
WELL, IN THE UNIT DEFINITION, I MEAN, ANYONE WHO IS A CERTIFIED STAFF MEMBER AND SO THAT THE CONTRACT COMES, THE TEACHER'S CONTRACT.
SO, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT IS SCHOOL COUNSELORS, THAT IS CLASSROOM TEACHERS, THAT IS, UH, TEACHER LIBRARIANS, UM, THAT IS SOCIAL WORKERS.
EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE ON TEMPORARY CONTRACTS, THE PAY SCALE APPLIES.
SO WE CAN'T, WHAT I WILL TELL YOU IS WE CAN'T BARGAIN THE STATE DEFINITION.
YOU KNOW, STATE DEFINES WHAT A CLASSROOM TEACHER IS, WHICH IS 50% OR MORE, UM, DIRECT STUDENT INSTRUCTION.
UM, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO UTILIZE.
FOR EXAMPLE, FOR THE TEACHER APPRECIATION GRANT MONEY IS WHEN WE DISTRIBUTE THEM.
BUT THE DEFINITION, UH, THE UNIT DEFINITION AND WHEN PEOPLE COULD BE EXCLUDED, WHICH IS VERY RARE, YOU HAVE TO BE EVALUATING, YOU HAVE TO BE SUPERVISING.
THERE'S, WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING THROUGH THAT EVALUATION NOW.
IT'S LIKE WE CAN'T PASS A SALARY SCALE THAT APPLIES TO CLASSROOM TEACHER AND THEN HAVE A DIFFERENT SCALE FOR OTHER CERTIFIED STAFF.
AND THAT'S DUE TO THE COLLECT BARGAINING.
THE, AND THE OTHER PART OF THAT, SOME THINGS I'M THINKING OF THAT MAY GO INTO THAT PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT SURVEYS, ARE THOSE EDUCATIONAL, OPERATIONAL, GENERALLY EDUCATION RELATED? I KNOW A LOT OF IT COMES OUT OF TITLE TWO IN TERMS OF THE PD THAT WE SEND STAFF TO OR IF WE BRING SOMEBODY ONSITE.
UM, BUT DEPENDING ON WHAT IT IS, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, THE BOARD HAD A FACILITATOR FOR THEIR RETREAT THAT WAS NOT PAID OUT OF EDUCATION FUND.
IT CAME OUT OF THE OPERATIONS CENTER OUT OF REFERENDUM.
I DON'T RECALL OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
SO IT'S REALLY ABOUT THE PEOPLE YOU'RE TRAINING DICTATES THAT, YOU KNOW, IF I'M GONNA TRAINING FOR THE BUSINESS OFFICE, BUSINESS OFFICE ISN'T GONNA COME OUT OF EDUCATION.
SO IT'S ALSO ABOUT THE CONFLICT.
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RANK NORTH OUT OF FIVE, SO OUT OF THE SURROUNDING DISTRICT.SO, UM, ARE YOU GOING BY TOP AND BOTTOM OR AVERAGE? I'M GOING BY TOP AND BOTTOM.
NOT AVERAGE GOING BY OUR STARTING SALARY AND THE TOP OF OUR SCALE.
SO WE RANKED FOURTH, CARMEL, WESTFIELD, ZIONSVILLE, HSE, AND NOBLESVILLE.
I KNOW IT'S NOT AN AVERAGE, NO AVERAGE SALARY.
I KNOW THAT BECAUSE I SAW IT, UH, WHEN I GENERATED A DIFFERENT REPORT.
SO WE WERE SECOND ONLY TO CARMEL.
UH, I THINK THEY WERE 64 OR 5,000.
SO AGAIN, IT'LL BE REAL IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY FOR THE PUBLIC AS WE GET INTO THIS TO ESTABLISH DEFINITIONS, WOULD WE SAY WHERE DO WE RANK YOUR TEACHER SALARY BASED ON IS THAT AVERAGE? AVERAGE? YEAH.
WE NEED A DEFINITION FOR NOPE, THAT'S FAIR.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE EDUCATION FUND, AND WE JUST BROUGHT THAT UP A FEW MINUTES AGO.
THE EDUCATION, WE PAY OUR TEACHERS THERE, RIGHT? UM, IN 2023, OUR CERTIFIED BUDGET IS, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ONE, UH, 151 MILLION.
AND IN 2020, IN 2019 IT WAS 131 MILLION.
SO I KNOW WITH OPERATIONS AND REFERENDUM YOU TALK ABOUT PAYING DEBT SERVICES AND, AND UTILITIES AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS, BUT THAT ONE COME OUT OF OUR EDUCATION FUND, CORRECT? NO.
AND DEBT SERVICE HAS ITS OWN FUND.
DEBT SERVICE DOESN'T COME OUT OF THOSE EITHER.
BUT IT DOES NOT COME OUT OF, UH, EDUCATION FUND.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, CLOSE TO 19, UM, WE ROUNDED UP TO 20 MILLION OR ROUNDED DOWN TO 19 MILLION.
SO CAN YOU BE A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEAR ON WHERE THAT, IN THAT, UM, CHANGE WHERE WE HAVE A GROWTH OF 20 MILLION, WHERE THAT WENT? DID IT ALL GO TO TEACHER RAISES? I WAS IN HERE IN 2019, SO I WOULD'VE TO GO BACK AND LOOK.
ARE YOU USING THE CERTIFIED BUDGET NUMBER OR JUST THE EDUCATION FUND? CERTIFIED BUDGET NUMBER.
SO ARE YOU SAYING IN THE 2019 CERTIFIED BUDGET NUMBER AS COMPARED TO THE 2023 CERTIFIED BUDGET? I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M CORRECT.
UM, IN 2019, THE EXACT NUMBER IS 1 31 5 4 0 36.
AND IN 2023 IT'S 1 50, 153 7 0 5.
SO THAT'S AGAIN, POSITIVE THAT WE HAVE THAT, THAT MONEY COMING IN, THOSE MONIES COMING IN, IT'S EASY FROM SOMEONE ON MY SIDE SAY, OH, 21 MILLION, LET'S PUT, OR 20 MILLION.
LET'S PUT SOMEONE OVER HERE IN EXPLORATORY.
THIS YEAR, THIS YEAR, THIS YEAR.
SO OBVIOUSLY IT'S BEEN SPENT OR IT'S, UM, IDENTIFIED MM-HMM.
AND SO OTHER THAN TEACHERS SALARIES, WHICH I KNOW THAT'S OUR EDUCATION FUND, WHERE ELSE WOULD THAT 20 MILLION GO? SO, NO, I THINK SHE'S JUST PULLING THE EDUCATION FUNDS CERTIFI FIVE BUDGET.
SO I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK IN MORE TO BE A HUNDRED PERCENT SPECIFIC.
BUT HERE'S WHAT I WOULD TELL YOU.
THAT'S OVER A FIVE YEAR PERIOD.
20 MILLION A YEAR IS 4 MILLION A YEAR.
GENERALLY IN THE TWO YEARS I'VE BEEN HERE, WE'VE BARGAINED ROUGHLY 3 MILLION IN INCREASES TO TEACHERS.
SO IF YOU THINK OF IT THAT WAY, 4 MILLION A YEAR, AND IF 3 MILLION IS GOING TO TEACHERS, THE OTHER MILLION IS GOING TO THE OTHER STAFF IN THAT FUND.
AND THAT COULD BE INSURANCE TOO, TO BE FAIR, IT COULD BE INSURANCE COULD BE PART OF THAT 3 MILLION, UM, YEAH.
SO I WOULD USE THAT AS A, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, IT IS.
I'M NOT SAYING IT'S INSIGNIFICANT.
IF YOU LOOK AT IT A PIECE AT A TIME, IT'S 4 MILLION A YEAR AND I KNOW THE LAST TWO YEARS WE'VE BARGAINED ABOUT 3 MILLION WITH SALARY BENEFITS.
THAT'S, I GUESS I WANTED TO HEAR THAT OUT LOUD.
BECAUSE SOMETIMES WHEN, IF SOMEONE FROM OUTSIDE LUKE SAID THIS, THEY'LL SAY, WELL, WE HAVE 20 MILLION.
WHERE IS THAT? AND TO HEAR THAT IT'S GONE TO OUR TEACHERS AND OUR TEACHER RAISES, THAT'S IMPORTANT TO HEAR THAT.
I DO HAVE ANOTHER QUICK QUESTION CUZ IT DOESN'T BREAK DOWN THE LISTING OF ITEMS. SO IT'LL SAY EXPENDITURES AND IT SAYS INSTRUCTION AND INSTRUCTION.
KEGLEY, IT SAYS INSTRUCTION REMEDIATION PROGRAMS. MM-HMM.
SO I WAS TRYING TO SEE WHERE, WHAT IS THAT REMEDIATION FUND GOING TO? IS IT JUST, IT'S NOT LIKE JUST TUTORS.
I MEAN, CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW THAT'S USED? IT COULD BE, IT COULD BE TEACHERS WHO, UM, SAY AFTER SCHOOL AND THEY RECEIVED A STIPEND TO, TO DO TUTORING.
UM, TYPICALLY IT COULD BE, IT COULD BE SOME PROGRAMS LIKE, UH, SOFTWARE TYPE OF PROGRAMS THAT ARE PURCHASED.
UM, WE ALLOCATE EVERY, EVERY YEAR ABOUT THIS TIME WE ALLOCATE OUR REMEDIATION MONEY TO EACH AND EVERY BUILDING.
UM, AND WE HAVE A FORMULA THAT'S
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KIND OF BASED ON THE SIZE OF THEIR BUILDING.UM, AND THEY GET THAT ALLOCATION IN THAT LAST TERM FOR THE YEAR.
UM, SO THAT'S REALLY AT THE DISCRETION OF THE BUILDING PRINCIPAL IN TERMS OF WHAT MEETS AND NEEDS OF, UM, THE STUDENTS AT THEIR SCHOOL, UH, HOW IT PERTAINS TO THEIR SCHOOL IMPROVEMENT PLAN AND STAFF THAT ARE, UH, ABLE AND WILLING TO, TO, YOU KNOW, PARTICIPATE IN THOSE SERVICES, PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES TO STUDENTS.
DOES ANY OF OUR REFERENDUM FUNDING HAVE ANY REMEDIATION ASSISTANCE IN THERE? NO.
REMEDIATION WOULD BE AN EXPENDITURE THAT WOULD GO IN THE EDUCATION FUND.
AGAIN, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT TRANSFERRING ANYTHING OUT.
THOSE, EVERYTHING HAS SAT PRETTY MUCH IN EDUCATION EXCEPT, UM, THE SCHOOL PSYCHOLOGIST AND MS. MADISON.
I JUST WANTED TO, UM, GET SOME CLARITY ON WHAT WOULD YOU, ARE YOU ESTIMATING THE STUDENT LOSS FOR WITHIN THIS REFERENDUM COMPARED TO THE AVERAGE OF LAST 800? YOU MEAN OUR, WE'RE USING, I'M USING THE CURRENT STUDENT COUNT RIGHT NUMBER.
BUT WHEN WE ARE PLANNING FOR THE REFERENDUM AND WHERE THE MONEY'S GOING, ARE YOU, ARE YOU ESTIMATING THE LOSS IN STUDENTS OR? NO, I'M BASING IT ON THE DEMOGRAPHIC STUDY THAT WE JUST HAD DONE IN LAST YEAR.
UM, SO THAT'S WHAT INFORMS OUR PLAN IN THE LONG TERM.
AND THEN EVERY YEAR WE SEND OUR FALLEN, WHICH ARE FALLEN SPRING, FALL OF FEBRUARY IS NOT REALLY SPRING, BUT THEY SAY IT IS, UH, FALLEN SPRING COUNT.
MCKIBBEN AND HE SORT OF EVALUATES THAT PERFORMANCE AGAINST TO SEE WHERE WE'RE AT.
SO I CALL THAT HE DOES LIKE AN EVALUATION TO MAKE SURE WE'RE IN LINE OR THERE ANY, YOU KNOW, SURPRISES.
THERE'S NO SURPRISE WE'RE SEEING DIFFERENT GROWTH LEVELS ON THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN, YOU KNOW, THINK LIKE THAT, THAT WE KNOW.
SO I THINK I'M SPECIFICALLY MENTIONING, UM, REGARDLESS OF SIZE MOVING IN AND OUT OF THE GROWTH OF THE CITY, THE SIZE DID NOT CHANGE AND WE STILL HAD STUDENT LOSS.
SO I'M WONDERING IF WE'RE PLANNING AHEAD FOR PARENTS WHO WANT TO CHOOSE TO HOLD THEIR CHILDREN OUT OF THE SCHOOL SYSTEM, WHETHER IT'S CHARTER SCHOOLS OR NOT.
SO THIS DEMOGRAPHIC STUDY IS BASED ON SCHOOL, LIKE BASED ON OUR SCHOOL ENROLLMENT.
AND IT DOES FACTOR IN CURRENT, OUR TRANSFERS OUT, OUR TRANSFER, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE TRANSFERS IN, BUT OUR TRANSFERS OUT IS FACTORING IN.
UH, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, WE, WE SUFFER FROM THE BIG HIGH SCHOOL EFFECT.
ONCE YOU GET A HIGH SCHOOL THAT'S OVER ABOUT 2000 TO 2,500 STUDENTS, YOU START TO SEE A, A DROP OFF OF, YOU KNOW, PARENTS THAT WANNA SEND UH, THEIR STUDENT TO A SMALLER SCHOOL.
WE HAD, I HAD THE SAME BIG CROWN POINT EVERY YEAR.
I KNEW I LOST 200 KIDS GOING IN FROM EIGHTH TO NINTH THAT WE WOULD LOSE TO A, TO A NON PUB OR IT WASN'T REALLY A CHARTER, BUT MOSTLY NONPUBLIC.
SO THAT IS ALL FACTORED IN TO THE STUDENT DEMOGRAPHIC STUDY.
SO YES, THE SHORT ANSWER IS YES, BASED ON HIS STUDY.
AND WE DO EVALUATE THAT EVERY YEAR TO MAKE SURE OUR PERFORMANCE IS WITHIN THE, THE, UM, AIR RANGE I CAN, THE PLUS OR MINUS OF, OF, UH, OF DR.
AND THEN WHAT ARE WE ESTIMATING THE COST IF WE'RE USING A MARKETING TEAM TO HELP WITH REFERENDUM? UH, I DON'T KNOW THE COST YET.
WE DID HAVE, UH, LAST YEAR, UM, SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH SOME ORGANIZATIONS BECAUSE THERE'S A MARKETING PIECE, THERE'S A POLLING PIECE AND THEN THERE'S A VOTER DATA PIECE.
WE DID HAVE A REFERENDUM RENEWAL.
THE COST OF THAT CONSULTANT THAT PERFORMED ALL OF THOSE ITEMS, UM, WAS $50,000.
UM, WE PAID FOR THAT OUT OF OUR REFERENDUM FUND.
UM, IN CROWN POINT, NOT TALKING ABOUT HERE, I DON'T BELIEVE, WE DID NOT USE A CONSULTANT PER SE.
WE DID GET POLLING DATA AND SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WERE JUST DONE, UM, EXTERNALLY, UH, AND PAID FOR THAT WAY AS WELL.
AND THEN IN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PSYCHOLOGISTS OR COUNSELORS COMING FROM THE REFERENDUM FUND AND IN OTHER MENTIONS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT COMPARING IN CINCINNATI.
SO I WANNA MAKE, SEE WHERE WE STAND IN COMPARISON IF WE'RE DOING A PULL FROM THAT AREA IN COMPARISON WHEN WE TALK ABOUT EVANSVILLE AND OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES AS WELL.
I THINK THAT'D BE GREAT TO SEE.
YOU MEAN IN THE SALARY COMPARISON? YES.
SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TEACHERS IN CINCINNATI AND PSYCHOLOGISTS, COUNSELORS, THAT WHOLE SEGMENT PLEASE.
SO IF WE WERE LOOKING KATIE FOR LIKE OUR GOALS TO BE, YOU KNOW, OUR LITERACY, YOU KNOW, EDUCATE MATH FOR MATH ADOPTION WILL BE COMING UP, UM, REMEDIAL WORK AND EXCEPTIONAL MURDERS.
UM, HAVING A STRONG CGE AND SUPPORTING PURSUIT INSTITUTE AND THEN ALSO HAVING THE HIGHEST PAID TEACHERS IN THE STATE.
ARE ALL OF THOSE LISTING ITEMS WITHOUT MOST OF THAT THE EDUCATION FUND OR THOSE, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU WOULD SEE NEED TO BE SUPPORTED IN A REFERENDUM FUND? SAY THAT AGAIN.
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I'M SPEAKING OF MY, BY MYSELF CUZ WE HAVEN'T MADE A HUNDRED PERCENT GOALS WITH THE WHOLE BOARD FOR SUZANNE SPEAKING OUT TO ME.I'D LIKE SEEING FUNDING AND SUPPORTS TO OUR LITERACY PROGRAMS, YOU KNOW, IMPROVING, ENCOURAGING, ADVANCING MATH ADOPTION THAT'S GONNA BE COMING UP THIS YEAR.
SUPPORT, UM, REMEDIAL WORK, EXCEPTIONAL LEARNERS, MAKING SURE THAT THOSE THOSE AREAS ARE, ARE, ARE PROPERLY FUNDED AND ASSISTED WITH, UM, THE ZTE AND SUPPORTS WITH THE PURSUIT INSTITUTE AND OF COURSE, UM, HAVING THE BEST PAID TEACHERS IN THE STATE.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE LIST OF ITEMS, ARE THOSE MOSTLY EDUCATIONAL FUNDING ITEMS OR IS ANY OF THOSE IN OUR CURRENT REFERENDUM SCHOOL SITES ARE THE ONLY EDUCATION FUND EXPENDITURE THAT ARE IN THE REFERENDUM BECAUSE WE DON'T TRANSFER THE FUNDS OUT.
SO WE DIDN'T HAVE THE REFERENDUM.
WHAT YOU WOULD SEE IS YOU WOULD SEE A 15% OR LESS CAN'T BE MORE TRANSFERRED FROM EDUCATION TO OPERATIONS, BUT WITHOUT A REFERENDUM FUND THEY WOULD BE AN EDUCATION FUND.
EVEN WITH ONE, THEY'RE IN IT BECAUSE WE DON'T TRANSFER.
LIKE THAT'S SORT OF THE ANOMALY THAT MAKES IT A LITTLE, UM, MORE LABORIOUS TO EXPLAINED I GUESS I WOULD SAY.
SO TECHNICALLY THEY'RE ALL EDUCATION FUND EXPENDITURES.
DO I THINK THAT THEY ARE FEASIBLE WITHOUT A REFERENDUM? ALL OF THOSE THINGS? NO.
UM, I WOULD ALSO TELL YOU, I DON'T KNOW THAT WHAT THE REFERENDUM WE HAVE, ALL OF THOSE ARE FEASIBLE.
UM, I'M NOT GONNA SAY IT'S IMPOSSIBLE.
I JUST, I'M, I WOULD, I JUST THINK WHEN YOU LOOK JUST AT PER STUDENT FUNDING DIFFERENCE, YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE FUNDING STUDENTS AT 18, IF WE WERE FUNDING ADDITIONAL DOLLARS AT 1800, I THINK WE HAVE LESS OF A DISCUSSION.
THE FACT THAT WE'RE SECOND TO CARMEL AN AVERAGE SALARY WHEN THEY'RE SPENDING 700 MORE DOLLARS A STUDENT.
I'M, I'M PROUD OF THAT, YOU KNOW, CAUSE I THINK IT SHOWS WE'RE DOING MORE WITH LESS MISSY'S STATISTICS SHOW.
WE'VE GOT SOME WORK TO DO ON THE HOT, THE TOP OF THE BOTTOM TO MR. GEORGE'S POINT.
WHAT'S THE DEFINITION? THOSE ARE ALL FAIR.
BUT I, I THINK YOU NEED BOTH TO ACCOMPLISH THOSE THINGS.
AND JUST TO ADD TO THAT, SUZANNE, UM, THE TEXT THAT TEXTBOOK ADOPTION YOU MENTIONED THAT WOULD COME FROM TEXTBOOK FOR HEALTH FUND.
IT WOULD BE DIVIDED OVER FOR STUDENT FEES.
WE ONLY MADE ONE EXCEPTION FOR LITERACY.
IF YOU REMEMBER FROM LAST YEAR, THE STUDENT, THE HOUSEHOLD FEES WERE GONNA GO UP $150 A STUDENT AND SOME GRADES.
AND SO WE USED REFERENDUM FUNDS TO OFFSET THAT TO OUR FAMILIES BECAUSE WE DIDN'T THINK IT WAS FAIR TO PASS THAT BURDEN ON TO FAMILIES.
I WAS GONNA ASK SOMETHING SIMILAR WITH THE, THE VARIOUS CURRICULUM OPTIONS WE'VE GOT.
WE'RE SWITCHING TO SCIENCE OF READING, WE'VE GOT MATH COMING UP.
ARE THERE THINGS THAT, ARE THERE FINANCIAL COSTS TO THAT, THAT ARE OUT OF THE ORDINARY OR ARE THESE THINGS KIND OF PLAYED OUT OVER THE YEARS TO BE, TO PRE LACK OF BETTER WORD, TO APPRECIATE 'EM OVER TIME OR BY ADOPTING NEW RESOURCES? IS THERE LIKE ONE HIT TO THE BUDGET? CAN YOU HELP EXPLAIN THAT? AND I'M GONNA LET MS. MADISON, BECAUSE SHE WORKS PREDOMINANTLY WITH OUR TEACHING AND LEARNING LEARNING DEPARTMENT.
UM, WHEN WE DO IT, I THINK I'M GONNA JUST SAY GENERALLY A NEW ADOPTION, LIKE YOU'RE TAKING THE TOTAL CAUSE OF DIVIDING IT OVER THE PERIOD OF TIME YOU'RE GONNA KEEP IT.
LITERACY, UH, WAS A PARTICULARLY LARGE ADOPTION.
UM, WE DON'T PARTICIPATE IN LIKE THE COMMITTEES, YOU KNOW, THE CURRICULUM COMMITTEES WHEN THEY'RE EVALUATING.
UM, SO IT DOESN'T HIT THE BUDGET NORMALLY IT HITS FAMILIES.
WE INTERVENE CUZ WE DIDN'T THINK IT WAS FAIR TO OUR FAMILIES.
AND SO WE THOUGHT IT WAS VERY UTILIZED.
THE REFERENDUM DOLLARS THAT ARE GENERATED BY THEM TO SUPPORT THEM TO CUT THOSE SEEDS IN HALF.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T WANT TO TELL A FAMILY OF 1, 2, 3 OR FOUR.
YOU KNOW, HERE YOU GO, HERE'S YOUR EXTRA $300 OR $600 THIS YEAR THAT YOU'RE GONNA NEED TO SPEND.
SO WHEN YOU TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION, DOES THAT ALSO INCLUDE THE PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT FEES FOR ALL THE TEACHERS SO THAT THEY CAN LEARN THE SCIENCE OF READING? NO, THAT'S AND THEY TEACH THAT INTO THE CLASSROOM THAT'S, THAT'S PULLED OUT OF THAT ONE $50 PER FAMILY FEE.
THE NONE OF THE, TYPICALLY WHEN YOU ADOPT THE, THE, UH, RESOURCE PROVIDER WILL INCLUDE SOME PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT, UM, AS PART OF THE ADOPTION PROCESS.
SO THAT WOULD NECESSARILY BE SOMETHING WE WOULD, WE WOULD PAY FOR IN THAT MOMENT.
BUT AS WE DETERMINE THERE MIGHT BE AN ADDITIONAL, UH, PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT NEEDED THAT GOES ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT THEY ARE OFFERING, THEN WE PLAN FOR THAT THROUGH, TYPICALLY THROUGH TITLE TWO GUNS.
KLEY, CAN YOU, UH, OR MS. BRENTFORD, MS. THOMPSON, UM, CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT THE MATH ADOPTION THAT WE HAVE IS ACTUALLY COMING UP, IS ACTUALLY VERY SMALL.
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IT'S JUST OUR ALGEBRA ALGEBRA TWO.UM, AND IT IS NOT A GEOMETRY IN RY AREA, A HIGH SCHOOL, HUGE MATH ADOPT CURRICULUM ADOPTION.
IT IS VERY TARGETED SMALL ADOPTION OF HIGH SCHOOL COURSES.
WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT, UM, I MEAN THAT'S CORRECT WHAT YOU SAID.
AND WE'RE LOOKING AT SCI UH, SCIENCE FIRST AND THEN MATH, UM, AT THE LOWER GRADES.
BUT YOU WOULDN'T DO A FULL ON SCIENCE ADOPTION IN OUR PLANS UNTIL NEXT YEAR.
UM, WE'RE DOING SOME CURRICULUM MAPPING AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE RIGHT NOW SO WE CAN GET READY FOR THE ADOPTION PROCESS.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I HAVE, I HAVE ASKED MY TEAM TO PUT IN PLACE AS A ROTATION SO THAT WE, WE HAVE A, A VERY CLEAR PROGRESSION OF MAKING SURE THAT OUR, AS THE STANDARDS CHANGE FROM THE STATE, THAT THEN WE, WE ADAPT OUR STANDARDS AND OUR CURRICULUM MAPPING SO THAT WE ARE, ARE IN CONCERT WITH WHAT THE STATE IS ASKING US TO TEACH.
AND THEN WE LOOK AT THE RESOURCES AVAILABLE AND GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
AND THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE, THE CTP REQUIREMENTS.
SO WE'RE ALIGNING ON THAT AS WELL.
ALSO, JUST FOR THE BOARD'S INFORMATION, THE STATE ACTUALLY TELLS US WE WE'RE ALLOWED TO PASS ON BACK TO FAMILIES.
SO, UM, MS. MADISON KNOWS THOSE MORE THAN I KNOW.
LIKE WE CAN'T BILL FAMILIES FOR TEACHER PD AS PART OF THE TEXTBOOK RUN FEE.
UM, THEY TELL US, YOU KNOW, THEY GIVE US THAT.
I DON'T EVEN THINK WE CAN PAY FOR THE TEACHER ADDITIONS.
UM, WE CAN'T BUILD BACK WITH THE FEE THE DISTRICT PAYS THAT FEE.
SO THE STATE MANDATES ALL OF THAT TO US.
AND THEN I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION.
UM, IN REGARDS TO PSYCHOLOGISTS BEING, UM, PAID FOR THROUGH THE REFERENDUM.
YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT TEACHERS BEING 50% OR MORE, WHAT QUALIFIES A TEACHER? SO IN THIS CASE, WHAT QUALIFIES A PSYCHOLOGIST WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS, OUR PSYCH, BECAUSE THEY'RE CERTIFIED THROUGH THE DOE AS A SCHOOL PSYCHOLOGIST.
AND SO THEY'RE COVERED BY THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT.
SO FOR OUR PURPOSES, WE CONSIDER TEACHER TO BE ANYBODY THAT'S COVERED BY THE CBA, UH, THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT, EXCUSE ME.
AND SO THEY'RE NOT EXCLUDED FROM THE UNIT DEFINITION.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE, I DON'T THINK I'M MISSING ANYTHING FROM ABBY OR KIM'S PERSPECTIVE, BUT THAT'S WHAT DETERMINES IT.
UM, BECAUSE THEY'RE CERTIFIED THROUGH THE STATE LICENSING, WHEREAS LIKE A, UM, UH, OCCUPATIONAL THERAPIST AND PHYSICAL THERAPISTS, THEY ARE NOT, THERE'S NOT A DIFFERENT CERTIFICATION FOR THEM FOR SCHOOLS VERSUS BEING IN PRIVATE PRACTICE.
SO TECHNICALLY A COUNSELOR OR ANY OTHER FORM OF IN MENTAL HEALTH WELLNESS COULD NOT BE APPLIED FOR THAT.
CAUSE THEY'RE NOT CERTIFIED AS A PSYCHOLOGIST, IS THAT CORRECT? THEY'RE CERTIFIED AS A SCHOOL COUNSELOR.
SO THAT'S WHY THEY'RE CERTIFIED STAFF MEMBER.
UM, SCHOOL PSYCHOLOGIST, SCHOOL SOCIAL WORKER THAT I THINK THE SCHOOL CERTIFICATION PIECE IS WHAT IS KEY FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND.
UH, ALONG THE SAME LINES, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR ATHLETIC STAFF ARE, UM, THE COACHES AND SOMETHING THAT'S NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART.
AND I THINK, UH, IT'S GOOD TO SAY AS WE KIND OF WORK THROUGH THIS, WE'RE GONNA START REALIZING WE ALL, WE WANT IT ALL.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO TRIAGE.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO SAY, AND I THINK WE'RE ALL GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE WE'RE GONNA CREATE SOME GOALS AND, AND PROBABLY PICK, YOU KNOW, ACADEMICS OVER EVERYTHING.
BUT HOW DO OUR, OUR COACHES PLAY IN THIS? WHERE, WHERE ARE THEIR SALARIES? ARE THEY LOOKED AT AS AND MUST ARE TEACHERS IN ADDITION TO BEING COACHES, BUT TALK A LITTLE BIT.
SO THAT'S PROBABLY AN AREA THAT IS SOME OF THE HARDEST TO MAKE APPLES TO APPLES BECAUSE SOME DISTRICTS IS THE COMPENSATION.
OTHER DISTRICTS IT'S RELEASE TIME WHERE SAY YOU'RE A HEAD COACH AND SO MAYBE THIS IS NOT THE CASE HERE, BUT I'M JUST THAT THAT IS SOME OTHER DISTRICT'S APPROXIMATE TO US.
YOU MIGHT ONLY BE A HALF DAY TEACH.
UM, AND THE OTHER HALF OF YOUR DAY IS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S HOW THEY HANDLE IT.
AND THAT'S ALL PROVIDED IN THEIR, IN THEIR COLLECTIVE PARTY AGREEMENT.
THERE'S NOTHING, IT'S ALL LAWFUL, BUT IT'S HARDER TO COMPARE THAT.
SO, UH, IF I WANT TO POINT TO A DISTRICT THAT GIVES EVERYBODY, UH, MINIMUM STANDARDS FOR INSURANCE, BUT THEY'RE THE HIGHEST PAID SALARY, YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER THEM IN LINE.
SO IT MAKES IT REALLY HARD TO CONVERT IT TO APPLES TO APPLES.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE CLEANED OUT OF OUR INTEREST-BASED BARGAINING, UM, NUMBER ONE E EXTRACURRICULARS ARE A HUGE LIFT TO CROSS THE CORPORATION.
UM, YOU KNOW, SECONDARY FOLKS THINK THERE ISN'T ENOUGH.
PRIMARY FOLKS THINK THAT THEY GET LEFT BEHIND.
PERFORMING ARTS THINKS THAT EVERYBODY, NOBODY CARES ABOUT THEM AND EVERYBODY WANTS ATHLETICS.
IT'S A, YOU KNOW, VERY INTERESTING.
SO WE AGREED, UM, TO CREATE SORT OF AN OVERALL COMMITTEE THAT'S BASED ON THE BARGAINING TEAMS FROM HSCA IN THE DISTRICT.
AND THEN WE HAVE SUBCOMMITTEES.
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WE WE'RE LITERALLY IN THE MIDDLE OF DOING THIS RIGHT NOW.UH, WE HAVE AN ATHLETIC SUBCOMMITTEE, UH, A PERFORMING ARTS SUBCOMMITTEE, UM, SORT OF BUILDING LEADERSHIP IF YOU WILL.
SO THINK DEPARTMENT HEADS, UH, GRADE LEVEL LEADS, THINGS LIKE THAT WITHIN THE BUILDINGS.
AND WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT ALL OF THOSE INDIVIDUALLY TO HELP REPORT BACK BECAUSE HONESTLY WHAT DO I KNOW ABOUT WHAT A, UH, A HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL COACH OR HEAD COACHES AT THE HIGH SCHOOL LEVEL WILL SAY, NEED THOSE ABS ARE GONNA KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE PARTICULAR STUFF.
MAYBE IT ISN'T DOLLARS, MAYBE IT'S RELEASE TIME, BUT THEN WE HAVE TO SIT DOWN AND SAY, WELL WAIT, WE DO RELEASE TIME HERE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO IT HERE, HERE AND HERE.
AND HOW DOES THAT TRANSLATE ACROSS ALL OF IT? SO I WOULD SAY WE'RE LOOKING AT IT AS PART AS PREPARING FOR OUR ALREADY THIS FALL.
SO ESSENTIALLY THEY ARE PART OF THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT EXTRA THROUGHOUT.
THERE'S NOTHING SPLIT OUT WHERE IT'S, YOU'RE THIS BUNCH OF TEACHER MM-HMM.
THEY'RE ALL STIPENDS IN THE CONTRACT, BUT YOU DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THE NUMBER IN TERMS OF PERCENTAGE, BUT YOU CAN HAVE LAKE COACHES, WHICH ARE NON-CERTIFIED STAFF MEMBERS THAT COACH OKAY.
DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A CERTIFIED MEMBER.
I THINK OFTENTIMES IT IS IN OUR HISTORY.
UH, BUT THOSE ALL HAVE TO BE, THEY'RE ALL IN THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT.
UM, AND SO WE REGARDED THAT TECHNICALLY.
I THINK THAT'D BE SOMETHING ELSE THAT'D BE INTERESTING FOR US TO SEE IN TERMS OF, UM, UM, I'M GONNA KEEP REPEATING MYSELF HERE, BUT IN TERMS OF KIND OF RANKING, CUZ THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY WAY I KNOW TO DO IT.
WHEN WE ATTRACT AND RETAIN THE BEST PEOPLE MM-HMM
AGAIN, WE NEED TO DEFINE THAT, BUT I WOULD'VE SAID PROBABLY THE COUNTY ZIONSVILLE BRAS GROUP.
WHAT DO OUR COACHES RANK IN THAT? AMONG, AGAIN, AMONG OTHER GROUPS.
AND I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW HOW THAT IS PRIORITIZED FROM A BUDGET PERSPECTIVE.
IS IT JUST BASED ON NUMBER OF STUDENTS PARTICIPATING IN THE ACTIVITY? HOW DOES THAT ALL THAT FACTOR AGAIN? SO JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE AN EXTRACURRICULAR IN THE CONTRACT DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO FILL IT.
THIS IS THE FIRST THING I WOULD SAY TO THAT.
UM, WE HAVE SOME STANDARDS FOR PARTICIPATION THAT ARE, ARE AROUND LIKE SOME CLUBS AND MAYBE I CALL IT EXPERIMENTAL, BUT YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES A BUILDING LATER WANTS TO TRY OUT A NEW, UH, CLUB OR ACTIVITY.
AND SO THEY HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF PARTICIPANTS AND MEET A CERTAIN NUMBER OF TIMES IN ORDER FOR THEM TO BE COMPENSATED.
AND THEN WE EVALUATE THAT PERFORMANCE AND DETERMINATE DOWN THE LINE.
IT GOES INTO THE CONTRACT PERMANENTLY.
I THINK PROBABLY ROBOTICS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THAT IN THE SHORT TERM.
YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT STARTED OUT AS A LITTLE CLUB AND CUZ WE ALL KNOW IT'S THE END ALL BE ALL.
I WAS NEVER THAT SMART AT THAT AGE.
UM, SO I THINK THEY'RE IN THE CONTRACT.
I MEAN, I'M NOT AWARE THAT WE HAVE LOW PARTICIPATION, YOU KNOW, IN THE THINGS THAT ARE IN THERE.
I THINK THAT GETS WEEDED OUT BEFORE IT EVER EVEN GOES INTO THE CONTRACT.
THAT'S AT LEAST MY EXPERIENCE HERE.
UM, I'M HELPFUL TO KNOW THE EBBS AND THE FLOWS.
LIKE AT WHAT POINT DO WE SEE LOW UTILIZATION, IF YOU WILL, TO THE POINT WHERE IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO FUND IT ANYMORE.
ARE THOSE, ARE THOSE LIKE KIND OF DECISION MAKING CRITERIA FACTORED INTO THIS AS WELL? WELL, THAT'S WHY PRINCIPALS ARE ON THOSE EXTRACURRICULAR COMMITTEES BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S A FACTOR I WOULD TELL YOU, I, I DON'T KNOW.
AND MAYBE SOMEONE WHO'S BEEN A BUILDING LEADER CAN SPEAK BETTER TO IT THAN ME, UM, IN A BUILDING.
BESIDES THE THINGS THAT WE REQUIRE THEM TO TRACK, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH TRACKING AND HOW READILY AVAILABLE THE DATA WOULD BE ON HOW MANY KIDS WERE IN, YOU KNOW, BOYS AND GIRLS BASKETBALL.
I'M NOT SURE THAT EVERY BUILDING'S TRACKING PER SE.
I THINK WHEN IT COMES TO CLUBS IT'S A LITTLE, A LITTLE BIT MORE NEBULOUS BECAUSE YOU MIGHT HAVE 50 KIDS ONE YEAR THAT COME AND PARTICIPATE IN THE CLUB AND THEN NEXT YEAR YOU MIGHT HAVE 30.
UM, THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY A REASON TO NOT HAVE THE CLUB.
UM, OFTENTIMES UH, THINGS LIKE CLUBS START OUT AS JUST VERY ORGANICALLY, UM, BEFORE THEY EVER, BEFORE THEY EVER GET TARGETED INTO THE CONTRACT AS A STIPEND.
SO A TEACHER MIGHT, UH, MIGHT GET APPROACHED BY A GROUP OF STUDENTS TO START A CERTAIN CLUB.
UH, I THINK FILM CLUBS A GREAT EXAMPLE.
UM, WHEN I WAS PRINCIPAL AT THE HIGH SCHOOL, IT WAS UH, SOMETHING THAT KIND OF A PASSION OF A TEACHER.
SOME STUDENTS GOT INVOLVED, IT REALLY TOOK OFF AND EVENTUALLY
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THAT TEACHER WORKED WITH THE ASSOCIATION TO, TO GET, YOU KNOW, KNOW THEY WANTED TO SEE, HEY, I'M, I'M NOW THIS HAS GROWN INTO THIS BIG AND AND I THINK IT'S WORTHY OF A SIMON.AND EVENTUALLY I THINK THAT GOT IT NEGOTIATED INTO AS A, AS A SIMON POSITION.
SO OFTENTIMES IT HAPPENS LIKE THAT.
UM, THINGS THAT MIGHT JUST BE A YEAR TO YEAR, MAYBE EVERY OTHER YEAR ARE PROBABLY NEVER REACHED THAT.
AND I THINK SPORTS SPECIFICALLY HAVE BEEN ADDED BASED ON THE I HSAA WHEN THEY OFFICIALLY RECOGNIZE EM AS AN IMPROVED I HSA SPORT.
THAT'S GENERALLY, AND THAT'S PRETTY COMMON, RIGHT? THAT THAT'S THE MEASURE THAT PEOPLE USE CUZ IT'S STEADFAST.
SO IN ADDITION TO THAT, UM, THERE'S A, THERE'S ALWAYS TWO WAYS TO MAKE THE BUDGET WORK.
CUTS OR MORE REVENUE? OR BOTH? OR BOTH.
UM, AS FAR AS REVENUE TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, I'M SURE WE'RE CONSTANTLY EXPLORING THIS.
UM, OBVIOUSLY WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A LOT ABOUT GRANTS LATELY.
OTHER THINGS, I KNOW WE DO THINGS THAT ARE A LITTLE MORE CREATIVE.
UM, OUR AGREEMENT WITH INDY PREMIER SOCCER MM-HMM.
UM, MUD HOCKEY USES OUR BASKETBALL GAMES, THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
DO WE HAVE, HOW DO WE GO OUT AND LOOK FOR THOSE? UM, DO WE HAVE A COMMITTEE ON THAT? ARE THERE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES? I KNOW AT, AT, AT COACH MM-HMM.
THERE ARE TIMES WHEN THOSE GYMS SEND, UM, THERE ARE TIMES WHEN OUR FIELDS AREN'T BEING USED.
DO WE HAVE PEOPLE KIND OF ON AN ONGOING BASIS LOOKING AT THAT, KNOWING THAT WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T STAFF THINGS.
ALL KIND OF INSURANCE RISKS OF PUTTING PEOPLE IN OUR SCHOOLS FROM OUTSIDE.
UM, PARTNERSHIPS WITH THE COMMUNITY, THINGS LIKE, YOU KNOW, HEY, THE, THE FOOTBALL TEAM NEEDS MORE WEIGHTLIFTING EQUIPMENT.
IS SOMEBODY REACHING OUT TO LA FITNESS CORPORATE LOOKING FOR DONATIONS AND GRANT ALL THOSE SPONSORSHIPS? I WOULD SAY OUR ATHLETIC DEPARTMENT DEFINITELY PROBABLY IS DOING THAT.
UM, THERE'S A BOARD POLICY AND PROCEDURE ON FACILITY RENTAL.
SO, UM, FOR GROUP TWO, THEY HAVE TO BE WITHIN OUR DISTRICT, 75% OF THEIR ROSTER HAS TO BE OUR KIDS.
SO WE DO HAVE PARAMETERS AGAIN ABOUT WHO CAN RENT FROM US.
UM, AND LIKE I SAID, THAT IS THE BOARD POLICY.
SO, AND DURING OUR, UM, 5 MILLION CUT BACK IN 20 20, 1 OF THINGS WE DID WAS INCREASE THOSE RENTAL RATES TO, TO BRING IN SOME EXTRA REVENUE.
BUT WE DID SEE, UM, COURSE WITH COVID WE WEREN'T ABLE TO RUN OUT OUR FACILITIES, SO WE DIDN'T TAKE A BIT OF A HIT.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE SOMEONE THAT'S IN THAT POSITION THAT ACTUALLY DOES THIS LIKE ON A DAILY BASIS.
I KNOW THAT WE DO THAT VERY WELL UTILIZING OUR FACILITY FOR YEAH, I THINK SO.
I MEAN, I, IT'S FAIRLY RARE THAT I SEE THINGS SITTING EMPTY HERE, NOT BEING USED AROUND HERE.
UM, GOOD KNOW SOMEBODY'S LOOKING FOR THAT, BUT I THINK MAYBE THAT'S AN AREA WE CAN, CAN DO BETTER AND EXPAND.
AGAIN, WE'RE A HUGE CORPORATION.
WE'RE KIND OF A FLAGSHIP SCHOOL FOR THE COMMUNITY, FOR THE STATE.
WE THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD WANT TO SPONSOR, PARTNER, ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
SO MAYBE THERE'S OTHER THINGS WE CAN EXPLORE THERE FROM A CORPORATE STANDPOINT, EVEN NATIONALLY, LIKE I SAID, YOU KNOW, IN LA FITNESS, I DON'T MEAN THE ONE HERE IN FISHER
SO I THINK TOO, JUST TO BE CLEAR, WHEN WE SAY 75% OUR STUDENTS, THAT'S KIDDOS IN THE BOUNDARY.
70 THAT LIVE, THAT RESIDE IN FISHERS.
SO THAT WOULD NOT EXCLUDE, UM, NON-PUBLIC STUDENTS FROM BEING COUNTED TO THAT BENEFIT FOR INFORMATION.
UM, WE DO HAVE SOME AGREEMENTS IN PLACE, UM, WITH, UH, TCU FOR EXAMPLE, GIVES US $50,000 ANNUALLY.
WE PROVIDE THAT, UM, TO THE HIGH SCHOOL AND JUNIOR HIGH ATHLETIC DEPARTMENT CENTER ROTATING BASIS.
I MEAN, IT DOESN'T, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT ALL THE NEEDS, IT'S NOT A LOT.
UM, WE'RE AT A, WE'RE AT A DEFICIT AS BEING IN TWO HIGH SCHOOL DISTRICTS BECAUSE IF YOU DO, IF YOU DO A TURF FIELD AND ONE, YOU NEED TO DO THE TURF FIELD AND THE OTHER, AND SO YOU DOUBLE YOUR COSTS AUTOMATICALLY.
UM, WE DEFINITELY, I WOULD TELL YOU OUR ATHLETIC DIRECTORS WOULD DEFINITELY TELL YOU THAT WE ARE AT A DEFICIT AS COMPARED TO OUR NEIGHBORS FOR OUR FACILITIES FROM AN ATHLETIC STANDPOINT.
UM, I WOULD, I DON'T, I TAKE THEM AT THEIR WORD.
I THINK IT'S JUST WHEN YOU HAVE SCHOOL, WHEN YOU HAVE BOILERS THAT ARE 35 YEARS OLD, YOU HAVE TO PRIORITIZE.
AND SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE HAVE.
I ALSO THINK, UH, WITH MUDOCK ESPECIALLY, WE'RE REALLY FULL.
I MEAN, BETWEEN THAT AND KEEP IN MIND, YOU KNOW, OUR OWN, UM, MANY OF OUR OWN COACHES, UM, AND, AND CLUBS HAVE THEIR OWN THINGS THAT THEY WANT TO USE THE SPACE FOR.
AND SO THEN THAT'S, YOU KNOW, A PIECE OF
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THAT TOO.BUT CERTAINLY I THINK COULD WE HAVE TIME FOR SOMEONE WHO, I THINK I SHARED WITH YOU, WE DON'T HAVE A GRANT SPECIALIST IN THE SCHOOL CORPORATION, SO WE'RE, YOU KNOW, LIKE IF IT WEREN'T FOR PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY GO AND SEEK IT OUT IN ADDITION TO THEIR OTHER JOB DUTIES, YOU KNOW, WE WOULDN'T HAVE SOME OF THOSE OPPORTUNITIES FOR SURE.
UM, I THINK WE DO A MUCH BETTER JOB IN THE AREA OF HOW WE PARTNER TO REDUCE COSTS LIKE WE'VE DONE WITH THE CITY SPECIFICALLY LIKE WE'VE DONE.
HEY, IF YOU KNOW SOMEBODY THAT WANTS TO, WANTS TO SPONSOR YOU, WANNA OUR EQUIPMENT, I DO HAVE A ANOTHER, UH, QUESTION.
I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE SPOTLIGHTED IN, IN MY OPINION AS A, AS A MAJOR POSITIVE.
AND SO MIGHT NEED TO HEAR FROM A FEW VOICES, NOT JUST YOURSELF, BUT MAYBE DR.
KEGLEY, OUR TWO, UM, UH, ASSISTANTS OR DIRECTORS, EXCUSE ME.
BUT OUT OF OUR REFERENDUM FUND, ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT I'VE HEARD THAT WE'VE MADE A CHANGE WITH IN OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT AND WE, WE ADDED WAS OUR ASSISTANT PRINCIPALS MM-HMM.
AND RIGHT NOW THAT'S, THEY ARE BEING ALL FUNDED THROUGH OUR REFERENDUM.
IS THAT CORRECT? THEY ARE ABLE TO BE FUNDED BECAUSE WE HAVE THE REFERENDUM.
THEY ARE, ARE PAID FOR OUT OF THE EDUCATION FUND.
SO THEY'RE ACTUALLY PAID FOR OUT OF THE EDUCATION FUND AND WE'RE ABLE TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE THE REFER.
SO THIS WAS ROUGHLY WHAT, 2016 THAT, THAT THAT CHANGED.
SO BEFORE THEN ALL WE HAD WERE HIGH SCHOOL ASSISTANT PRINCIPALS, I THINK.
SO MS. TAYLOR, IF YOU DON'T MIND IF I START WITH YOU FIRST, HOW BENEFICIAL FOR OUR TEACHERS THAT THEY'VE BEEN, UM, THRILLED TO HAVE ASSISTANT PRINCIPALS AND THEN MS. THOMPSON, I ASK YOU TO, BECAUSE YOU WERE A PRINCIPAL FOR, UM, LANTERN FOR SO LONG AND I THINK THAT, UM, FEEDBACK IS VERY VALUABLE TO HAVE.
SO I THINK THE ASSISTANT PRINCIPALS HAVE BEEN REALLY VALUABLE FOR THE ELEMENTARY AND INTERMEDIATE BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE THEM BEFORE.
AND SO IT'S HELPED A LOT WITH LIKE TEACHER COACHING AND HELPING THEM WITH THE EVALUATIONS, WITH THE EVALUATION PROCESS, WHILE ALSO MAKING SURE THAT PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT ISN'T LEFT TO JUST ONE PERSON SUCH AS THE PRINCIPAL THAT IT WAS BEFORE.
AND SO IT'S BEEN REALLY HELPFUL TO HAVE THEM TO HAVE ANOTHER ADMINISTRATOR IN THE BUILDING WHEN WE GOT SO BIG IN THE ELEMENTARY AND INTERMEDIATE FOR SURE.
I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THAT, UM, INTERMEDIATES HAVE ALWAYS HAD ASSISTANT PRINCIPLES.
SO WITH THE REFERENDUM IT WAS THE CAPE WARD BUILDINGS THAT PICKED UP THE ASSISTANT PRINCIPALS AND YES, MS. THOMAS, YOU ARE CORRECT.
I WAS PRINCIPAL IN THE DISTRICT AND I WAS ABLE TO EXPERIENCE NO ASSISTANT PRINCIPAL AND AN ASSISTANT PRINCIPAL.
UM, AND I THINK MY BUILDING WAS AT OVER 800 AT ONE POINT AND IT WAS ME.
UM, AND BY ADDING OUR ASSISTANT PRINCIPALS, IT'S ALLOWED OUR PRINCIPALS TO TRULY BE INSTRUCTIONAL LEADERS IN THE BUILDING ALONG WITH SOME OF THE THINGS THAT MS. TAYLOR SAID.
UM, BUT REALLY TRULY DIGGING INTO THE CURRICULUM AND CONTINUING WITH OUR ACADEMIC EXCELLENCE, UM, I DO NOT FORESEE THAT THAT WORK COULD BE DONE TO THE LEVEL THAT IT'S BEEN DONE WITHOUT OUR ASSISTANT PRINCIPLES THERE TO TAKE SOME OF THE WORKLOAD OFF OF OUR PRINCIPALS.
WELL, WE WERE DOING ALSO PRE PRE ASSISTANT PRINCIPALS AT THE ELEMENTARY WAS OUR INSTRUCTIONAL COACHES, OUR TDS, AS WE CALL THEM, WERE, WERE ASSISTING OUR PRINCIPALS IN, UM, EVALUATION TYPE OF, OF, UH, YOU KNOW, PART OF THEIR JOB WAS TO ALSO BE OBSERVING TEACHERS AND, AND CHARTING THEIR PROGRESS.
I WILL TELL YOU THAT'S NOT THE ROLE OF AN INSTRUCTIONAL COACH.
YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T SPEND, UH, ONE FOOT IN OBSERVATION AND EVALUATION AND ONE FOOT IN TRYING TO COACH, UH, TEACHERS ALONG TO BE BETTER PRACTITIONERS.
AND SO WITH, WITH BRINGING ON ASSISTANT PRINCIPALS, WE WERE ABLE TO FULLY RELEASE OUR TBSS SO THAT THEY COULD BE INSTRUCTIONAL COACHES A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE TIME.
THAT DOES BRING UP A ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT OUR TBSS.
HOW, HOW, HOW LONG HAS THE SCHOOL DISTRICT HAD THEM AND WHAT IS ABOUT THE AVERAGE PAY FOR A TBS? WELL, THE TBSS ARE ON THE TEACHER, ON THE TEACHER CONTRACT.
THEY, THEY DO HAVE SOME EXTRA DAYS, 10 EXTRA DAYS IN THEIR, IN THEIR CONTRACT HERE, BUT THEY'RE, THEY WORK ON STEPS AS WELL.
BUT THEY WORK JUST LIKE THE TEACHERS DO.
UH, 2012, WE HAVE, WE'VE HAD TWO DIFFERENT STRUCTURES OF TDSS AND YEAH, I WOULD SAY 20 12, 20 13 IS WHEN WE HAD, BUT THEY COVERED SEVERAL BUILDINGS AND THEN I WOULD SAY PROBABLY 20 15, 20 14 MAYBE, WAS WHEN WE
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WENT TO OUR CURRENT STRUCTURE.AND SO DOES, HOW MANY ROUGHLY WOULD YOU SAY TDS IS PER SCHOOL? WE HAVE, WE HAVE ONE TDS FOR EVERY TWO ELEMENTARIES AND WE HAVE ONE TDS, UH, THAT IS STEM AND ONE TDS THAT IS LITERACY AT THE INTERMEDIATE LEVEL.
AND THEY COVER, THOSE TWO PEOPLE COVER ALL FOUR INTERMEDIATES, UM, IN LITERACY AND STEM AREA, WHICH YOU WILL FIND IS VERY LIGHT.
ITS SUPPORT COMPARED TO OUR NEIGHBORING DISTRICTS WHEN IT COMES TO INSTRUCTIONAL COACHING.
AND, AND FOR CLARITY THOUGH, THIS IS THE TBSS ARE FOR HELPING OUR OUR EDUCATORS, OUR TEACHERS CORRECT.
THEY'RE NOT THE ONES THAT PUT ON THE PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT.
A LOT OF TIMES THEY, THEY WERE A HUGE LIFT FOR US WITH THE LITERACY ADOPTION BECAUSE THEY WERE RIGHT THERE IN THE CONVERSATION WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE DIFFERENT RESOURCES.
AND THEN THEY WERE ABLE, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT TIED TO THE CLASSROOM, THEY'RE ABLE TO DO A LOT MORE EITHER PLAN, PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT OR ON THE FLY PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT, LIKE PUSH INTO CLASSROOMS, ASSIST WITH LESSONS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
AND, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I MIGHT NOT UNDERSTAND IT CORRECTLY.
SO YOU'RE SAYING FOR THE MOST PART, THE TDSS ARE THERE TO ASSIST OUR TEACHERS AND HELPING THEM WITH THE ADOPTIONS OF, OF CURRICULUMS OR MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE UTILIZING THE CURRICULUMS CORRECTLY? YES.
IMPLEMENTATION, BUT, BUT ALSO BEST PRACTICE AND INSTRUCTIONAL TECHNIQUES.
AND HELP THE TEACHERS IMPROVE THEIR INSTRUCTION PRACTICE.
AND MS. TAYLOR, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT OUR, OUR, AND I'M SORRY IF IT'S ON SPOT A LITTLE BIT, BUT IS THIS SOMETHING THAT OUR TEACHERS GENUINELY VALUE OR, AND FEEL VERY, UM, SUPPORTED WITH IT OR HAS IT BEEN, UH, DIFFICULT OR IT, UM, I MEAN IT'D BE NICE TO KNOW.
I, I'VE, I'VE HEARD HEARSAY OF COURSE THAT SOMETIMES IT'S, IT'S A POSITION THAT'S NOT HELPFUL AND SOME I'VE HEARD IT'S HELPFUL.
SO IN GENERAL, HAS THERE BEEN A SURVEY OF SORTS OR, OR IN YOUR OPINION IS THE UNION LEADER, UM, THE BENEFITS OF THE TEDS OF THE SCHOOL? SO TECHNICALLY THEY ARE NOT TEACHERS, SO THEY ARE IN THE ADMIN REALM OF THINGS, UM, BECAUSE THEY GET ADMIN BENEFITS.
SO THEY ARE ON THE TEACHERS SCALE, THEY ARE GET THE ADMIN BENEFITS.
SO WITH THAT WE DO NOT REALLY SURVEY THEM.
HOWEVER, I WILL TELL YOU, IT'S HARD TO TELL YOU THAT WHETHER THEY'RE EFFECTIVE OR NOT EFFECTIVE AT ALL CASES BECAUSE THEY'RE SPREAD SO THIN.
SO THERE'S ONE FOR TWO BUILDINGS AND SO THEY SPLIT THEIR TIME THERE.
AND SO I MEAN IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, 800 KIDS IN EACH ELEMENTARY THAT MEANS 1600 STUDENTS THAT THEY'RE HELPING TEACHERS WITH THROUGH THAT TIME.
AND SO IT'S NOT ALWAYS FEASIBLE TO GET THE TIME WITH THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE SPLIT BETWEEN BUILDINGS.
THAT'S THE THING THAT I HEAR THE MOST IS BECAUSE THEY'RE SPLIT SO AND SPREAD SO THIN, BUT WHEN THEY DO GET TIME WITH THEM, THEY APPRECIATE THAT TIME.
IS IT ALSO FAIR TO SAY THAT THE ASSISTANT PRINCIPALS HAVE BEEN A BIG SUPPORT IN SUPPORTING DISCIPLINE AND TAKING THAT OFF OF THE PRINCIPAL'S PLATE TO ALLOW THEM TO SUPPORT THE, THE TEACHERS? YEAH, SO, UM, CERTAINLY THE PRINCIPAL IS ABLE TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION AS TO HOW THAT ASSISTANT PRINCIPAL WE USED.
BUT MOSTLY YES, THEY'VE TAKEN OFF THOSE OPERATIONAL THINGS OFF THE PLATE, THE PRINCIPAL, SO THAT THE PRINCIPAL CAN TRULY LOOK AT THE INSTRUCTION, UM, AND WORK WITH THE TEACHERS THAT BEST IMPACTS THE STUDENTS.
AND PRIOR TO, PRIOR TO OUR ASSISTANT PRINCIPALS AT THAT LEVEL, UM, SOME OF THAT JUST SIMPLY OUT OF SURVIVAL AND MANPOWER WAS FALL TO OUR SCHOOL COUNSELORS, WHICH IS NOT REALLY THEIR ROLE EITHER.
AND IF I CAN ADD ONE MORE THING, OUR ASSISTANT PRINCIPALS ARE, UM, IN CHARGE OF THE TESTING.
SO THEY'RE IN CHARGE OF, UM, ENSURING THAT OUR ILEARN AND OUR IRE TESTING GOES SMOOTHLY.
UM, CO COGAT TESTING, UM, AND THOSE DIFFERENT AREAS.
SO THAT'S A BIG EVENT UNDERTAKING THAT'S TAKEN OFF THE PRINCIPAL'S SHOULDERS SO THAT INSTRUCTION CAN CONTINUE DURING THOSE TESTING WINDOWS.
SO PROBABLY, MY, MY LAST QUESTION HERE IS, UH,
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I DUNNO, QUESTION OR A STATEMENT.IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS, WHAT I KIND OF WANTED TO SEE THE ENTIRE TIME IS WHAT I KEEP CALLING THE PLAN B.
UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THIS THING DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN, REGARDLESS OF OUR VOTE TO SUPPORT AND CONTINUE ON, IT'S UP TO THE VOTERS.
UM, YOU SAID THAT THAT TAKES ABOUT THREE TO FOUR MONTHS TO PLAN OUT SAMPLE THAT'S IN THE PRESENTATION AND THIS PRESENTATION WILL BE POSTED ON BOARD DOCS AFTER THE MEETING SO THE PUBLIC WILL SEE, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT'S WHAT WE UTILIZE IN 2021.
BUT IT WAS A THREE TO FOUR MONTH PROCESS FROM START TO FINISH.
I I DO LOOK, UM, MS. THOMAS'S SUGGESTION THAT I THINK IF WE GET ALIGNED ON SOME, SOME GOALS, SOME PRIORITIES THAT WOULD HELP YOU ALL, UH, ESSENTIALLY GO THROUGH THAT BUDGET AND YOU KNOW, IF WE SAY HERE'S KIND OF A TRIAGE OF WHAT WE THINK IS THE MOST IMPORTANT MAYBE BY CATEGORY, BY DEPARTMENT, THAT KIND OF THING, AND THEN YOU TAKE THAT AND YOU COULD PRODUCE THAT, UM, I THINK THAT'D PROBABLY BE HELPFUL FOR EVERYBODY.
AND I JUST HAVE ONE OTHER QUICK THING AND MS. DUNS BY, I DON'T MEAN TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, SO IF YOU DON'T KNOW RIGHT NOW, THAT'S OKAY.
BUT, UM, WHAT ARE THE, THE ONE OR TWO BIG LEGISLATION THINGS THAT WE KNOW OF THAT'S OUT THERE THAT COULD AFFECT OUR FUNDING? DO YOU, ARE WE AWARE OF WHAT THAT IS? IS ONE OF 'EM, WAS IT I I THINK, UH, REFERENDUM CAP OR, AND ANOTHER WAS, UM, HAVING TO POSSIBLY DO WITH THE OPERATIONS FUNDING.
WERE YOU AWARE OF ANY OF THE THINGS THAT ARE COMING UP THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DECIDE RIGHT NOW? YEAH, SO THERE ARE A MULTITUDE BILLS.
UM, WE'VE NOT EVEN HAD THIS FIRST HALF SESSION OVERHEAD.
UM, UH, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST DEADLINES HIT AT THE END OF FEBRUARY, UM, WHERE THE BELL COUNT WILL DROP BY TWO THIRDS AT THAT POINT, UM, OF THINGS THAT DIDN'T GET HEARINGS AND WON'T MOVE FORWARD.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THE BUDGET BILL AND HOW THEY DETERMINE THE SCHOOL FUNDING FORMULA AND HOW MUCH HOW THEY ALLOCATE TO K-12 FUNDING IS GOING BE ONE OF THE BIGGEST PIECES THAT WE HAVE IN OUR, ON OUR FUNDING.
AND, UM, THE HOUSE SHOULD RELEASE THEIR PORTION OF THE BUDGET NEXT WEEK.
UM, SO WHAT WE GET TO SEE HOW THAT DIFFERS FROM THE GOVERNOR'S BUDGET, WHICH THEY'RE WORKING OFF OF NOW, THEN IT GOES TO THE SENATE.
THE SENATE WILL COMPLETELY CHANGE IT.
SO, UM, REALLY WHEN IT COMES TO BUDGET BILL, WE WON'T HAVE ANY SORT OF CLOSE AREA TO KNOW UNTIL, I WOULD SAY BEGINNING OF APRIL.
UM, IT'S GONNA BE THE EARLIEST.
THE SAME THING WITH, UH, YES, THERE'S A BILL THAT'S MOVING THE CAPS, UM, REFERENDUM.
IT CAN'T GROW MORE THAN 5%, UM, FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR.
UH, JUST TO TRY TO TO TAMP DOWN ASSIST VALUE IS OBVIOUSLY GROWING AT, AT A HIGH 15%.
SO, UM, TRYING TO CAP HOW MUCH REFERENDUMS CAN GROW, UM, THAT WOULD OBVIOUSLY HAVE AN IMPACT ON, ON, ON WHAT OUR REFERENDUM GENERATES FROM YEAR TO YEAR.
UM, THAT'S ALSO THERE, THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF MANDATES THAT ARE COMING DOWN, REGULATIONS THAT WILL COST SCHOOLS MONEY AT THE SAME TIME, UM, THROUGH SOME OF THE LEGISLATURE.
BUT UNFORTUNATELY WE NEED CAN MONITOR ALL OF THAT, BUT WE WON'T REALLY KNOW MORE DEFINITIVELY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT UNTIL PEOPLE, SO IT'S OKAY.
THAT'S KIND OF A, A STRENGTH THAT YOU CHOOSE.
SO WE'RE NOT EVEN AT THE HALFWAY MARK.
YEAH, THERE'S A WHOLE LOT MORE DISCUSSION.
THE BILLS HAVE TO SWAP CHAMBERS AND THEY LIKE TO CHANGE EACH OTHER'S WORK AND MAKE LOTS OF EDITS AND SUGGESTIONS TO EACH OTHER'S WORK.
AND THEN THEY GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL HOUSES AND THEY LIKE TO CHANGE IT BACK.
UM, SO REALLY TO KNOW WHAT IT'S, HOW IT'S GONNA MOVE, UM, IT'S REALLY ANYONE'S GUESS AT THIS POINT.
KEEP IN MIND THERE'S ALSO A BILL, UH, WE WERE ACTUALLY DISCUSSING IT LAST WEEK WITH MIKE REYER.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT TAX CAPS AND REDUCING THAT CAP LOWER THAT WILL, THAT WILL IMPACT US IF WE'RE ALREADY LOSING 4 MILLION A YEAR.
I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT IT WOULD BE.
THAT'S A POLICY ANALYTICS QUESTION.
THEY, THEY DO A STUDY ON YOUR PROPERTY TAX BASE, BUT IF WE'RE ALREADY AT 4 MILLION AND THEY DROP IT BY 10%, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, DOES THAT MEAN IT'S ANOTHER 400,000? BUT THAT WILL, THAT WILL BE A DIRECT LOSS TO LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND PUBLIC PUBLIC ENTITIES.
UM, SO ELSE I JUST THOUGHT OF JUST SINCE WE'RE, UH, GONNA BE SHARING THIS, UH, STREAM HERE LATER FOR THE PUBLIC, I THINK IT'S GOOD TO, TO RECAP, UH, WHAT YOU SAID EARLIER THAT THERE'S, THERE'S TWO WAYS TO, TO MAKE A BUDGET WORK THAT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, REDUCED SPENDING OR ADD REVENUE.
I THINK IT'D BE GOOD TO, TO GO INTO THIS WITH A GOOD UNDERSTANDING THAT WE CAN WORK ON BOTH SIDES.
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MORE FOCUSED ON ACADEMICS AND THINGS THAT WE REALLY VALUE AND STILL END UP NEEDING A REFERENDUM.SO I THINK THERE, THERE COULD BE BOTH.
SO I DON'T, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY SHOULD GO INTO THIS LOOKING AT IT AS THERE'S, THERE'S ONLY THE ONE OPTION.
EITHER WE KEEP EVERYTHING AND DO THIS WHOLE THING AND MAKE NO CUTS OR WE DO NO
THERE'S PROBABLY SOME HAPPY BALANCE THERE WHERE WE CAN ALL AGREE AND DO BOTH AND GET MORE EFFICIENT AND MORE FOCUSED AND POTENTIALLY STILL NEED MORE MONEY.
WELL, AND I WOULD TELL YOU FROM, UM, THE BUDGET TASK FORCE PERSPECTIVE IN 21, THERE WERE TWO BOARD MEMBERS ON THAT COMMITTEE.
AND I, I THINK THAT THAT IS IMPORTANT FOR A LOT OF REASONS, RIGHT? BECAUSE THE BUDGET REDUCTIONS ARE A POLICY DECISION.
KEGLEY WE'RE CUTTING X I DON'T, I MEAN THAT IS SO FAR BEYOND, I CAN TELL YOU WHAT IT COSTS.
WE CAN EVALUATE IF IT'S EFFICIENT.
WE BRING UP THE, YOU KNOW, WHEN THINGS COME UP.
I MEAN THERE'S TIMES WE HAVE VERY SPIRITED DISCUSSIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T AGREE ON.
UM, THAT'S THE NATURE OF THE BEAST.
NOBODY TAKES IT PERSONALLY, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT TWO BOARD MEMBERS ARE ON THERE BECAUSE THERE VERY WELL COULD BE THINGS THAT YOU ALL AS THE BOARD HAVE, UH, QUESTIONS, CONCERNS, ET CETERA.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE ARE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE NONE OF US DO.
AND SO THAT'S WHY THAT PARTICIPATION WILL BE IMPORTANT.
BOARD MEMBERS, NOT EARLIER YOU ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT REFERENDUMS FOR SOUTH BEND, FORT WAYNE COMMUNITY SCHOOLS.
UM, SO I DID A QUICK SEARCH IN, IN 2020 SOUTH BEND PASSED A $220 MILLION REFERENDUM, UM, WHERE A $220 MILLION REFERENDUM.
AND THEN IN, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE IN 2016 THAT FORT COMMUNITY SCHOOLS HAD ONE.
HOWEVER, IN 2020 THEY HAD A, A REPAIR REFERENDUM.
OH, ON A CAPITAL, YEAH, THAT WAS PASSED.
I DIDN'T, AND THAT WAS FOR 130 MILLION.
I DIDN'T COUNT ANY CAPITAL IN MIND.
JUST SO EVERYONE'S CLEAR CUZ I FELT LIKE THOSE WERE SEPARATE.
WE HAVE A CAPITAL THAT'S, THAT IS EXPIRING A LITTLE BIT EVERY YEAR, BUT I DON'T FORESEE US DOING A CAPITAL REFERENCE AT ANY TIME FOR THE NEAR YOUR FUTURE.
SO WERE BOTH OF THOSE THEN CAPITAL THAT SHE JUST SAID, I BELIEVE ONE OF THEM WAS THE FOUR.
SO WHAT, WHAT WAS THE TWO 20 SOUTH BEND WAS OPERATING.
JU WHAT ARE OUR NEXT STEPS PLEASE? SO BASED ON WHAT YOU ALL HAVE HEARD TODAY, UM, DIRECTING MS. SNOWBOARD, UM, WHAT UM, WHAT ADDITIONAL DATA DO YOU NEED THAT WAS NOT PRESENTED TODAY? JUST SO WE CAN RECAP AND GIVE SOME SPECIFIC, UM, DIRECTION BACK TO ADMINISTRATION.
SO I KNOW THE, I KNOW THE EVIDENCE, SALARY USE THAT IS ON MY RADAR.
FOR ME IT WAS, UM, THE AVERAGES OF WHERE WE STAND, UM, KIND OF RANKINGS THE DEFINITION OF WHAT'S THE RANKING.
UM, I THINK THAT WAS REALLY IT FOR TEACHER SALARY.
TEACHER SALARY, AMONGST OTHER THINGS.
I THINK MAYBE, MAYBE THE BOARD PUTS TOGETHER A A SHORT LIST.
YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO OVERBURDEN EVERYBODY, BUT THINGS LIKE, UH, TEACHER SALARIES, UH, FACILITIES, MAINTENANCE, MAYBE CUSTODIANS, FOOD SERVICE, ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
ATHLETICS, JUST TO GIVE THEIR SENSE OF WHERE DO WE CURRENTLY RANK.
AND AGAIN, I, I THINK IT'D BE HELPFUL TO SEE OVERALL STATE, UH, TIFFANY SAID MAYBE INCLUDE SOME SURROUNDING AREAS LIKE CINCINNATI AND THEN WITHIN OUR, WHAT WE'RE GONNA CALL OUR COHORTS, HAMILTON COUNTY AND ZION BROWNSBURG, WE COULD KINDA SEE WHERE WE RANK AMONGST THOSE THINGS IN THESE VARIOUS AREAS OF SPENDING.
AND I THINK YOU HAD NOTED DOWN, UM, OBVIOUSLY WE TALKED ABOUT CINCINNATI, THAT EVANSVILLE, FORT WAYNE SOUTH END AREAS, THE COST FOR WHAT THE MARKETING WOULD LOOK LIKE FROM THAT THREE KIND OF TIER PERSPECTIVE REGARDING VOTER DATA POLLING AND MARKETING IN GENERAL.
UM, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE SIDE BY SIDE, WHICH I THINK WAS ORIGINALLY ASKED ON WHAT WE WOULD DO AND NOT DO.
I CAN UNDERSTAND IF YOU DIDN'T WANNA PRESENT THAT OR SHARE THAT, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT.
I THINK I, I STRUGGLED TO DO IT BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T GONE THROUGH THAT MUCH A TASK FORCE PROCESS.
SO I WOULD TELL YOU I THINK THAT'S AVAILABLE AFTER THAT BECAUSE IF I JUST SHOT, THAT'S WHY I SHOWED LIKE SORT OF THE PERCENTAGES, LIKE IF YOU WERE LOOKING AT REFERENDUM WEIGHT BECAUSE I WOULD NOT WANT TO SAY LIKE, WELL THIS IS WHAT I THINK AND LET'S SAY IT SAID I NEED TO MAKE UP A POSITION.
CAUSE YOU KNOW, ONCE YOU SAY IT AND IT'S IN THE GARDEN, IT'S A A GARDENER.
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GARDENERS.UM, ALL THE GARDENERS ARE GONNA PUT SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO CREATE AND WE TALKED ABOUT THAT, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND.
SO I DIDN'T WANT TO PUT SOMETHING UP THERE THAT WILL BE TAKEN AS GOSPEL THAT IT'S GONNA HAPPEN AND THEN CAUSE MAKE MS. LIBBY'S JOB A LOT HARDER.
AND THEN ALSO YOU MENTIONED THAT ENIO WAS NOT WORKING AND SO OF THE DATA THAT YOU'RE GONNA PULL FROM THAT AS WELL.
DO WE WANNA MENTION THAT AND MAYBE THIS WAS WHERE YOU MENTIONED, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE A COMMITTEE MEETING COMING UP THIS YEAH, WE DO HAVE A RE RUNNING COMMITTEE, EXCUSE ME, WHICH UH, I'M ON SARAH DUN SPA AND ALSO, UM, SUZANNE THOMAS.
SO THE THREE OF US BE WORKING WITH ADMINISTRATION TO HELP FLUSH OUT THIS INFORMATION AND LOOK AT UM, NEXT STEPS FOR DISSEMINATION COMMUNICATION TO COMMUNITY.
UM, I CAN TELL YOU THE CITY HAS OFFERED THEIR COMMUNICATION RESOURCES AS WELL TO ASSIST.
SO MEETING THE CITY OF FISHERS.
UM, SO I THINK THAT WE CAN MAYBE POTENTIALLY LEVERAGE, UM, RESOURCES, PROBABLY MORE PERSONNEL, UM, THEN AND UM, TALK TO MELVILLE.
SO I DUNNO ANYTHING ON THAT YET.
BUT I THINK THAT THERE'S WAYS WE CAN MAXIMIZE THOSE RELATIONSHIPS TO HELP KEEP THOSE COSTS DOWN FROM THE MARKETING PERSPECTIVE, BUT ALSO LEVERAGE THEIR NETWORKS REFERENDUM.
NEXT I'LL PROBABLY BE ZOOM IN, I'LL BE IN LAS VEGAS THE 22ND.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE BOARD, UM, THAT STRUCK YOU ABOUT THE INFORMATION THAT YOU FEEL THAT YOU NEED MORE INSIGHT ON OR MORE TIME TO GO THROUGH OR CONVERSATIONS WITH ADMINISTRATION? ALRIGHT, IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, MS. MEETING IS ADJOURNED.